How does this happen?

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LtTony said:
They have been in the news media. Please demonstrate that they haven’t.
Not that I nor most other people need US muslims to condemn terrorism or proof that they’ve condemned it. That is a given.

What worries us is the significant minority that support terrorism against the West.
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Thats right, and if you caught King this morning his claim is; the Imams are Promoting it through urging Islamic followers to stay quite. Not sure how in-depth the atricle is. I caught the show.

Apparently theres a bunch of Islamic followers who came foward through the investigation.

They are headed for witness protection:)
 
Nine_Two said:
Christian’s (as opposed to Christianity… we’re talking about the followers of the faith here, not the faith), have plenty of blood on their hands, both against other Christians and non-Christians. But unless you have some recent examples to share where Christians have gone on killing sprees and not been condemned by other Christians, it really has no relevence.
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The Gospel and Jesus do not condone violence of any kind. Christianity doesn’t even condone any kind of subdung of another -Christian or non-Christian.

I have never been to a Chruch service anywhere where the Pastor has spoken ill of a fellow trinitarian Christian that does not beong to my branch of Christianity. It has always been expressd that they simply have a different expression of the very same basic faith.

In the case of those non-trinitarian Christians and non-Christians it is stated that they can’t see the truth and that we are to love others to Christ.

I have seen many, many videos of imam that preach hatred, violence and subduing of non-muslims- all are considered evil. They are quoting the Quran.

Islam often seems to be a religion about correcting the behavior of others.
 
The Quran a book for all time for all people?:
003.151 Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers!

Allah using Muslims to instill terror:
008.012 Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

008.060 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.
 
 
Sister_Amy said:
I don’t have a problem with free speech. What I’m asking is how people get so crazy that they do things like this?

How do you harass someone praying in public? And at the same time holding a sign that “Jesus Loves You,” seriously?

How do people in a country like this one, America, scream derogatory insults at children?

What I want to know, and the reason I posted it here on the Catholic forums, is why Christian people don’t speak out against it? How come Christianity doesn’t stop these people from exhibiting such hatred?

I don’t mind that people would protest the bogus “pro-Sharia” rally promoted by a serious nutjob. But that they would harass someone showing up by himself just to pray? Taunting him like that? And in the name of their religion?

Is that what this great country is becoming? A country of raving lunatics?
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I guess the same reason people in your faith act like they do Sister Amy. Every faith has its good humble kind people. And then we all also got the nuts too:o

But what is sad is this country is getting worse. God does not seem to be the center of everyones life anymore. Pray for us.😊
 
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But what is sad is this country is getting worse. God does not seem to be the center of everyones life anymore. Pray for us.😊
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Yes it is getting worse which is pretty sad and displeasing to God as well.
Everything this country was founded on like, Christian values, is going to the wayside.

I did a sermon on something like this and in it I said (in so many words) that during Christmas, the day we celebrate the birth of Christ, his very own birthday, has being taken away from him and is now called The Holiday Season. There used to be a time when you were greated at the story by a Merry Christmas but that has now been replaced with Happy Holidays. The tree that you decorate in your home is no longer a Christmas Tree, its now called The Holiday Tree. **The Nativity Scene **used to be in every town square but that has been replaced by Santa and his 8 reign deer. And I went on and on and on about it but these are just a few of the things I talked about in reguards to Christ not being the center of our lives.

There was a time in this country when Christ was first class but now it seems he has been lowered down to a second class.
 
I wonder whether the “In God We Trust” will eventually be removed from the American Dollar?

If that day comes, I suppose it will be the actual end of America as we knew it.

MJ
 
MartinJordan said:
I wonder whether the “In God We Trust” will eventually be removed from the American Dollar?

If that day comes, I suppose it will be the actual end of America as we knew it.

MJ
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I highly doubt that, since it’s only been printed on currency since 1957. It’s been on coinage since 1860…still a far cry from the beginning of the nation.

I don’t see why it would matter. We could abolish printed currency and trade in holy water and it wouldn’t matter one whit if the faith behind it isn’t there. It doesn’t matter how much we claim to trust in God on our money if in reality we trust in our money instead of God.
 
dzheremi said:
I highly doubt that, since it’s only been printed on currency since 1957. It’s been on coinage since 1860…still a far cry from the beginning of the nation.

I don’t see why it would matter. We could abolish printed currency and trade in holy water and it wouldn’t matter one whit if the faith behind it isn’t there. It doesn’t matter how much we claim to trust in God on our money if in reality we trust in our money instead of God.
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Then why did they put in the first place?

Edit: Now I see why:

President Thomas Jefferson wrote, “The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time” and asked ‘Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are of God?’"

MJ
 
Yes, yes, and regarding the second clause, I agree with Jefferson’s thought (as I suspect most religious people would), but speaking of the nation…a lot of people who would even agree with that intellectually nevertheless would not let it sink in any deeper than that.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Watch the videos:

Man praying

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7OeQ5dcBltg

Charity dinner for projects for homelessness, hunger, women’s shelters, etc

youtube.com/watch?v=NutFkykjmbM&feature=player_embedded
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When people are infected at some high degree of demonic possession, they are capable of doing things like that.

That’s the Devil mocking God, blaspheming against him. There is no better way than to get people do the opposite of the ‘hollow by thy name’ in action.
 
dzheremi said:
Yes, yes, and regarding the second clause, I agree with Jefferson’s thought (as I suspect most religious people would), but speaking of the nation…a lot of people who would even agree with that intellectually nevertheless would not let it sink in any deeper than that.
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You ever listen to Jefferson’s thinking on American banking? What an ability to think things through, thus think into the future. We are in desperate need of another great leader. Its been far to long.
 
A lot of the attitudes on this forum are terrible. The videos show people screaming at children and emitting all kinds of slurs.
Aren’t we Christians? Aren’t we allowed to show sympathy towards people of other religions when they’re being persecuted? I find it strange to think that, if these videos were centered around non-religious people yelling at praying Catholic, people here would be completely outraged. A lot of people would be indignant over the freedom of speech that allows people to say things like this, but when Muslims are being insulted, that same freedom of speech is used to defend the slander? Seems a little odd to me.
I’ll always be Catholic and do not agree with the teachings of Islam, but I deeply respect the religion and recognize that Muslims suffering a lot of prejudice, especially now. Maybe we should try to be a little more sympathetic towards a group of people that suffer prejudice (something that Christians also undergo) instead of using every Islam-related thread to denounce it. This forum is Catholic, true, but everyone is welcome here.
We can disagree with Islam but not be cold about it. We can debate without being snide. Let’s try it.
 
Silyosha said:
A lot of the attitudes on this forum are terrible. The videos show people screaming at children and emitting all kinds of slurs.
Aren’t we Christians? Aren’t we allowed to show sympathy towards people of other religions when they’re being persecuted? I find it strange to think that, if these videos were centered around non-religious people yelling at praying Catholic, people here would be completely outraged. A lot of people would be indignant over the freedom of speech that allows people to say things like this, but when Muslims are being insulted, that same freedom of speech is used to defend the slander? Seems a little odd to me.
I’ll always be Catholic and do not agree with the teachings of Islam, but I deeply respect the religion and recognize that Muslims suffering a lot of prejudice, especially now. Maybe we should try to be a little more sympathetic towards a group of people that suffer prejudice (something that Christians also undergo) instead of using every Islam-related thread to denounce it. This forum is Catholic, true, but everyone is welcome here.
We can disagree with Islam but not be cold about it. We can debate without being snide. Let’s try it.
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I respect Muslims they are trying to follow the One True GOD.

I have absolutely no respect for Islam.

What do you respect about Islam?
 
schaick said:
I respect Muslims they are trying to follow the One True GOD.

I have absolutely no respect for Islam.

What do you respect about Islam?
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When presented without extremism, Islam teaches peace and love of God. I respect things when they teach others to live life for God, not human desires.
 
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