How God could be omnipresent if He is spiritual?

[Bahman]

So you freely chose not to read them.

I don’t think so.

 

[Bahman]

The soul and brain have different purposes and work together. Catechism definition soul:
the spiritual principle of human beings. The soul is the subject of human consciousness and freedom; soul and body together form one unique human nature. Each human soul is individual and immortal, immediately created by God. The soul does not die with the body, from which it is separated by death, and with which it will be reunited in the final resurrection.

These are areas of the brain:

• Frontal Lobe- associated with reasoning, planning, parts of speech, movement, emotions, and problem solving
• Parietal Lobe- associated with movement, orientation, recognition, perception of stimuli
• Occipital Lobe- associated with visual processing
• Temporal Lobe- associated with perception and recognition of auditory stimuli, memory, and speech

We know that a part of brain is responsible for consciousness. We know it by fact that we become unconscious when we are asleep and when we inject a specific drug. If consciousness was due to the soul we could’t simply become unconscious.

I don’t think that we have any free will. We are simply rational being.

 

[Vico]

We know that a part of brain is responsible for consciousness. We know it by fact that we become unconscious when we are asleep and when we inject a specific drug. If consciousness was due to the soul we could’t simply become unconscious.

I don’t think that we have any free will. We are simply rational being.

So then you are a materialist.

 

[Bahman]

So then you are a materialist.

Or you simply don’t have and answer to my question. I am not a materialist since I have an argument which defy that. I just simply don’t know the Truth.

 

[Vico]

Or you simply don’t have and answer to my question. I am not a materialist since I have an argument which defy that. I just simply don’t know the Truth.

Then there is in your belief in spirit that is not dependent upon matter?

What we have from St. Thomas Aquinas (which is not materialism) is summarized below:

• the rational soul, which is one with the sensitive and vegetative principle, is the form of the body. This was defined as of faith by the Council of Vienne of 1311;
• the soul is a substance, but an incomplete substance, i.e. it has a natural aptitude and exigency for existence in the body, in conjunction with which it makes up the substantial unity of human nature;
• though connaturally related to the body, it is itself absolutely simple, i.e. of an unextended and spiritual nature. It is not wholly immersed in matter, its higher operations being intrinsically independent of the organism;
• the rational soul is produced by special creation at the moment when the organism is sufficiently developed to receive it. In the first stage of embryonic development, the vital principle has merely vegetative powers; then a sensitive soul comes into being, educed from the evolving potencies of the organism — later yet, this is replaced by the perfect rational soul, which is essentially immaterial and so postulates a special creative act.

Many modern theologians have abandoned this last point of St. Thomas’s teaching, and maintain that a fully rational soul is infused into the embryo at the first moment of its existence.

Maher, M., & Bolland, J. (1912). Soul. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company.
newadvent.org/cathen/14153a.htm

 

[Bahman]

Then there is in your belief in spirit that is not dependent upon matter?..

I believe in spiritual beings. I believe in spirit, you can call it soul with the power to experience and create. I however have no idea how soul could experience and create and I believe that these are ultimate questions. I think physical is simply state of mind and can be experienced and created by soul. I believe that physical have layers with a specific hierarchy. So, in this sense I am an idealist. Here is my first problem to this picture: How possibly soul powers, namely experience and create, is bounded? For example, we as a human beings are limited to what our bodies can offer. I have problem with birth and death too. How our souls could be bounded to physical when we are fetus and how possibly our soul could be bounded to physical (higher hierarchy) again? I think that we can find answers to these questions since they are part of reality but I don’t have any answers to them yet. I don’t believe that soul could be created since soul is intrinsically is irreducible hence I don’t know where we are come from? I believe that the Knowledge which is underlying layers of what we understand cannot be created as well. We and other Spiritual beings however are cognitively open to Knowledge hence we can understand everything, what I call self, ultimately.

 

[SilverShadow22]

Anything which exists, must be brought into existence. Either it comes from already existent matter (such as physical procreation) or it is brought from non-existence into existence, by a higher being (such as when God creates a new soul).

There is no such thing as something that always existed, except God, and nothing exists that He did not create, except Himself.

The soul is not irreducible to the point that God could not create it. That is simply ridiculous.

 

[Bahman]

Anything which exists, must be brought into existence. Either it comes from already existent matter (such as physical procreation) or it is brought from non-existence into existence, by a higher being (such as when God creates a new soul).

Where God gets the power to create something from noting? One can then believe that it is possible that something pops out of noting. This is a dilemma we cannot resolve by reasoning since we have not any fact to start with.

There is no such thing as something that always existed, except God, and nothing exists that He did not create, except Himself.

That is not correct. Knowledge cannot be created. Do you believe that 1+1=2 is a part of creation?

The soul is not irreducible to the point that God could not create it. That is simply ridiculous.

Soul is immortal because it is irreducible hence it cannot be created and annihilated.

 

[SilverShadow22]

Where God gets the power to create something from noting? One can then believe that it is possible that something pops out of noting. This is a dilemma we cannot resolve by reasoning since we have not any fact to start with.

God was and is the only anything to ever eternally exist. Thus, everything came from nothing by HIS power. Yet, it came from something else, because God exists. So God is the only actual something which did not come from something else.

That is not correct. Knowledge cannot be created. Do you believe that 1+1=2 is a part of creation?

Yes. Had God created a universe with different rules, what we call ‘one’ plus itself may not in fact be what we call ‘two’. The laws of the universe are what they are because God made it so. The grass could easily be red, the sky could be purple, and human beings could be green. But God decided that things are as they are.

Soul is immortal because it is irreducible hence it cannot be created and annihilated.

Each soul is created by God at the moment of conception. It is not irreducible. It COULD be annihilated, if God so chose, but He does not, because He does not break His own promises.

 

[Bahman]

God was and is the only anything to ever eternally exist. Thus, everything came from nothing by HIS power. Yet, it came from something else, because God exists. So God is the only actual something which did not come from something else.

What you are presenting is a set of claims you have accepted to be true. You need to prove them.

Yes. Had God created a universe with different rules, what we call ‘one’ plus itself may not in fact be what we call ‘two’. The laws of the universe are what they are because God made it so. The grass could easily be red, the sky could be purple, and human beings could be green. But God decided that things are as they are.

1+1=2 is a fact. It cannot be created or annihilated. Knowledge in this case is Algebra. God cannot create or annihilate Algebra because Algebra is universal.

Each soul is created by God at the moment of conception.

I believe that I have a Mind but I don’t understand how it could be fused to the body. Do you know?

It is not irreducible. It COULD be annihilated, if God so chose, but He does not, because He does not break His own promises.

Soul is immortal, isn’t it? It seems to me that you don’t understand immortality and its relationship with irreducibility.

 

[SilverShadow22]

What you are presenting is a set of claims you have accepted to be true. You need to prove them.

And yet this is what you do all the time. Without proving them.

1+1=2 is a fact. It cannot be created or annihilated. Knowledge in this case is Algebra. God cannot create or annihilate Algebra because Algebra is universal.

It is only a fact because that’s how God created the universe. It would not be a fact if He had created a universe in which it was NOT a fact.

I believe that I have a Mind but I don’t understand how it could be fused to the body. Do you know?

The mind is not precisely the same as the soul.

Soul is immortal, isn’t it? It seems to me that you don’t understand immortality and its relationship with irreducibility.

The soul is immortal, but every soul has a beginning in time and space. And yet, unlike everything else with a beginning… It has no end. It is a mystery.

 

[SilverShadow22]

And yet this is what you do all the time. Without proving them.

It is only a fact because that’s how God created the universe. It would not be a fact if He had created a universe in which it was NOT a fact.

The mind is not precisely the same as the soul.

Soul is immortal, isn’t it? It seems to me that you don’t understand immortality and its relationship with irreducibility.

 

[LethalMouse]

I believe that I have a Mind but I don’t understand how it could be fused to the body. Do you know?

This explains all your threads

 

[Bahman]

And yet this is what you do all the time. Without proving them.

Can you give me an example?

It is only a fact because that’s how God created the universe. It would not be a fact if He had created a universe in which it was NOT a fact.

Facts are universal and cannot be created so it is impossible to have anything, creation of universe, without them. It is simply logically impossible.

The mind is not precisely the same as the soul.

I have problem with definition of soul so I stick with my definition of mind: Mind is the essence of anything with the ability to experience, decide and act.

The soul is immortal, but every soul has a beginning in time and space. And yet, unlike everything else with a beginning… It has no end. It is a mystery.

Soul as a irreducible entity cannot be created. I have a thread on this here.

 

[Bahman]

This explains all your threads

Do you have any solution for the above mentioned problem?

 

[Hatikvah]

Do you have any solution for the above mentioned problem?

If you don’t mind my asking, and I was on the thread concerning the creation of the soul, why do you capitalize “Mind”? Is it referring purely to your personal psyche, or some alternate awareness (like the sixth sense or third eye in the Indian religions) or self-divinity of all living things?

 

[Bahman]

If you don’t mind my asking, and I was on the thread concerning the creation of the soul, why do you capitalize “Mind”? Is it referring purely to your personal psyche, or some alternate awareness (like the sixth sense or third eye in the Indian religions) or self-divinity of all living things?

I use capitalize Mind when I am assuming that there is one Mind in charge of everything.