How God could be omnipresent if He is spiritual?

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yppop said:
Wow Bahman, not too long ago you were claiming to be a physicists and now you are pontificating in Neurobiology. If all functioning can be described by wiring and firing of neurons perhaps you can explain qualia for us and please don’t use the word “emergence”; I’ve been down that phony road; it’s the intellectual equivalent of the materialist’s pejorative retort “God Did It”. In other words “I don’t know!”
Yppop
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We know it by fact there is no qualia in a damaged brain. So where else qialia could possibly come from?
 
Vico said:
Mind St. Thomas, who represents the general scholastic usage, derives mens from metior (to measure). He identifies mens with the human soul viewed as intellectual and abstracting from lower organic faculties. Angels, or pure spirits, may thus be called minds (De Veritate, X, a. 1).
Maher, M. (1911). Mind. In The Catholic Encyclopedia. New York: Robert Appleton Company.
New Advent: newadvent.org/cathen/10321a.htm

Collins Dictionary: Information (noun) the act of informing or the condition of being informed.
Collins Dictionary: Intelligence (noun) an intelligent being, esp one that is not embodied.
Collins Dictionary: Immaterial (adjective) not formed of matter; incorporeal; spiritual.
Collins Dictionary: Form (noun) (philosophy) essence as opposed to matter.

A. Angels can inform man the same way as God can.
A. Intelligent beings is immaterial.
A. Because the soul is united to the body as its form.
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I have no idea that how what you said could be related to my post.
 
PRmerger said:
This is a nonsequitur, Bahman.

BTW: people with Alzheimers have great memory recall for some events in the past.
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That is not true. People with Alzheimer first lose their short memory, then the logic, afterward they see illusion, etc.
 
Bahman said:
That is not true.
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Absolutely it is true.

People with Alzheimers have great memory recall for some events and can enjoy these memories immensely.
People with Alzheimer first lose their short memory, then the logic, afterward they see illusion, etc.
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You are correct here. 👍
 
Bahman said:
Can you show me that we have free will? To me we are only rational being choosing the best option among a set prioritized option. This also means that we are responsible for our action.
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Yes, you freely chose to respond to my post, no one made you do it but it was a free choice made by you.
 
DCNBILL said:
Yes, you freely chose to respond to my post, no one made you do it but it was a free choice made by you.
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No, I have just two options, to replaying to your post or not. I just answer to your post because I like to answer your post more.
 
PRmerger said:
Absolutely it is true.

People with Alzheimers have great memory recall for some events and can enjoy these memories immensely.

You are correct here. 👍
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So the conclusion is that we can have malfunctions due to brains damage. So what is due to soul.
 
Bahman said:
I have no idea that how what you said could be related to my post.
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I think there must be a problem understanding English words. This happens too often.

For just one example you asked: So we have the same problem as past. How soul could present in whole body if it is immaterial?

And I answered; A. Because the soul is united to the body as its form.
 
Vico said:
I think there must be a problem understanding English words. This happens too often.
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I think a part of problem is due to English.
Vico said:
For just one example you asked: So we have the same problem as past. How soul could present in whole body if it is immaterial?

And I answered; A. Because the soul is united to the body as its form.
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What the use of soul when we know any malfunction in us is due to damage to our brains and our body?
 
Bahman said:
I think a part of problem is due to English.

What the use of soul when we know any malfunction in us is due to damage to our brains and our body?
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Do you mean organic malfunction? What is most important is not the body but the soul, per Christianity. The soul is the seat of intelligence and will which survives death of the body.

Matthew 16
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For he that will save his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall find it. 26 For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul? 27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels: and then will he render to every man according to his works.
 
Vico said:
Do you mean organic malfunction?
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Yes.
Vico said:
What is most important is not the body but the soul, per Christianity. The soul is the seat of intelligence and will which survives death of the body…
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How the soul could be the seat of intelligence if there is organic malfunction due to brain damage? In simple word what is the use of brain and soul?
 
Bahman said:
Yes.

How the soul could be the seat of intelligence if there is organic malfunction due to brain damage? In simple word what is the use of brain and soul?
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Thinking cannot be reduced to the brain, but is a spiritual or immaterial power. The soul and body work together, but the body is material and the soul is spiritual. The person has both a body and soul, but the soul survives death. The soul is reunited with the body at the resurrection (although is may be a glorified body).
 
Bahman said:
We know it by fact there is no qualia in a damaged brain. So where else qialia could possibly come from?
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Let me respond as simply as I am able since I am having trouble deciding whether your simplistic answers are the result of failure to understand my questions or lack of knowledge regarding the pertinent subject. Probably both. And probably some deficiency in logic. So here is as simple as I can make it:

Do you mean that a person with a damaged brain can feel no pain? or, Do you not know that pain is qualia? or Do you realize as most Neurobiologists know that not only is there no qualia in a damaged brain (as you assert) but, in fact, there is no qualia in an undamaged brain? It is somewhere else.

Now to dispute the impression you give in post 201 that “all functioning can be described by wiring and firing of neurons” that only the material brain is both necessary and sufficient for qualia to exist. Necessary, yes; sufficient, absolutely NO!

Just as an electric current in a wire creates a magnetic field in the space external to the wire, the firing of certain neurons in the primary visual cortex create qualia external to the neurons. The only place the qualia can exist is in the spiritual substance (nous) in which the neurons are immersed and where qualia are stored.

Neurobiologists do not have an answer to the source of qualia nor for memory and they never will until they recognize the reality of a spiritual or even an immaterial substance that is the source of all qualia, percepts, and emotions.

Take that Bahman, some real pontificating!!!
Yppop
 
Bahman said:
No, I have just two options, to replaying to your post or not. I just answer to your post because I like to answer your post more.
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Ahh but some of my posts you have not responded to, so either you are inconsistent or you sometimes choose to respond and sometimes you choose not to respond thereby making free choices based on some free decision that you use to respond or not to respond.

Note that choosing not to choose is also a free choice.😃
 
Vico said:
Thinking cannot be reduced to the brain, but is a spiritual or immaterial power.

The soul and body work together, but the body is material and the soul is spiritual.
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Saying that thinking is spiritual power of soul is not enough. It is like putting all ignorance inside a black box. We should be able to understand what thinking is. Thinking is simply is a chain of mental states with the aim to find an/a answer/solution to a question/situation.

What is the use of body/brain then? You simply assign all powers to soul yet you are not able to explain why soul is not able to function properly when we have damage in our brains. If thinking is a power of soul for example then why we lose it by a brain damage.
 
DCNBILL said:
Ahh but some of my posts you have not responded to, so either you are inconsistent or you sometimes choose to respond and sometimes you choose not to respond thereby making free choices based on some free decision that you use to respond or not to respond.

Note that choosing not to choose is also a free choice.😃
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I most likely missed your post. I enjoy discussing with people.😃
 
Bahman said:
Saying that thinking is spiritual power of soul is not enough. It is like putting all ignorance inside a black box. We should be able to understand what thinking is. Thinking is simply is a chain of mental states with the aim to find an/a answer/solution to a question/situation.

What is the use of body/brain then? You simply assign all powers to soul yet you are not able to explain why soul is not able to function properly when we have damage in our brains. If thinking is a power of soul for example then why we lose it by a brain damage.
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The soul and brain have different purposes and work together. Catechism definition soul:
the spiritual principle of human beings. The soul is the subject of human consciousness and freedom; soul and body together form one unique human nature. Each human soul is individual and immortal, immediately created by God. The soul does not die with the body, from which it is separated by death, and with which it will be reunited in the final resurrection.

These are areas of the brain:
  • Frontal Lobe- associated with reasoning, planning, parts of speech, movement, emotions, and problem solving
  • Parietal Lobe- associated with movement, orientation, recognition, perception of stimuli
  • Occipital Lobe- associated with visual processing
  • Temporal Lobe- associated with perception and recognition of auditory stimuli, memory, and speech
 
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