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Bahman
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Then why our functioning interrupted by any brain damage?
I am not materialist. I just don’t know what is the use of soul when all functioning can be described by wiring and firing of neurons?
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Bahman
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Then we need the help of Vico for correct citation.
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Vico
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The soul is an incomplete substance, the human person is composed of body animated by the soul.
Modern Catholic Dictionary
**Soul. **The spiritual immortal part in human beings that animates their body. Though a substance in itself, the soul is naturally ordained toward a body; separated, it is an “incomplete” substance. The soul has no parts, it is therefore simple, but it is not without accidents. The faculties are its proper accidents. Every experience adds to its accidental form. It is individually created for each person by God and infused into the body at the time of human insemination. It is moreover created in respect to the body it will inform, so that the substance of bodily features and of mental characteristics insofar as they depend on organic functions is safeguarded. As a simple and spiritual substance, the soul cannot die. Yet it is not the total human nature, since a human person is composed of body animated by the soul. In philosophy, animals and plants are also said to have souls, which operate as sensitive and vegetative principles of life. Unlike the human spirit, these souls are perishable. The rational soul contains all the powers of the two other souls and is the origin of the sensitive and vegetative functions in the human being.
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Vico
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Collins Dictionary:
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The spiritual thing has existence so it is not nothingness. Pure spirit has no dependence on matter, but the human soul is spiritual because it can exist independent of the body but in a life depends extrinsically on the body for its operations, and always retains a natural affinity for the body.
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Bahman
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Our bodies are animated by our brains.
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PRmerger
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Or perhaps you misinterpreted what he said.
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Bahman
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Could you please tell me how a pure spirit could function if they don’t occupy any space? We know from fact that we are functional because we have brain which we can accumulate memories and function properly. This requires space.
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Bahman
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I don’t think so. It is obvious that our functions depend on our brains. No brain means no memories and no functioning.Or perhaps you misinterpreted what he said.
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PRmerger
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Ah. So that’s your assertion.
You said Vico said this.
Can you offer the post where he stated this?
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PRmerger
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I have found that in almost all areas of discussion with folks who get things wrong there is this peculiar “ONLY” that is attached to things where it need not be.
Faith ONLY.
The Bible ONLY.
Science ONLY.
Jesus is man ONLY.
English ONLY.
Now, here’s another one: our functions depend on our brains ONLY.
You’ve got it half right. Our functions do depend on our brains. Just not our brains ONLY.
We are a Body Soul Composite. And thus our Brains and our Souls both contribute to our functions.
Incidentally, how do you know that our functions don’t also depend upon our souls? Can you offer some empirical proof that it’s our brains ONLY that contribute to our functions?
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Bahman
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This post partially answer your question. I don’t recall where I can find his post so you can send him a private message if he doesn’t post it in this thread.
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Vico
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Animate derives from the Latin anima “life, soul, spirit.” The human has a rational soul that does not die, but animals sensitive souls, and plants vegetative souls die. (Per St. Thomas Aquinas.)
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Vico
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St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Part I, Question 79. The intellectual powers
Article 6. Whether memory is in the intellectual part of the soul?
Objection 1. It would seem that memory is not in the intellectual part of the soul. For Augustine says (De Trin. xii, 2,3,8) that to the higher part of the soul belongs those things which are not “common to man and beast.” But memory is common to man and beast, for he says (De Trin. xii, 2,3,8) that “beasts can sense corporeal things through the senses of the body, and commit them to memory.” Therefore memory does not belong to the intellectual part of the soul.
Reply to Objection 1. Memory, if considered as retentive of species, is not common to us and other animals. For species are not retained in the sensitive part of the soul only, but rather in the body and soul united: since the memorative power is the act of some organ. But the intellect in itself is retentive of species, without the association of any corporeal organ. Wherefore the Philosopher says (De Anima iii, 4) that “the soul is the seat of the species, not the whole soul, but the intellect.”
newadvent.org/summa/1079.htm#article6
The passive intellect retains the quiddity of things and not their concrete objects.For the intellect to consider the temporal context it needs the sentient part of the soul which remembers that it was sensing at a past time and that it was sensing a man.
readingthesumma.blogspot.com/2013/09/question-79-intellective-powers.html
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PRmerger
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Um…Bahman? That says exactly the OPPOSITE of what you claim he said.
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Aloysium
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Obviously, he cannot. Empiricism will reveal only what is happening materially unless we expand it as they do in the field of Psychology, to include meaning.
The Internet, the computer, the monitor, the photons, the retina, optic nerve, mIdbrain and cortical structures including the occipital lobe and motor cortex, the spinal cord, muscles of the arm and hand, the keyboard, and back to the computer, we can isolate this series of physical events from the rest of time and space, breaking them down into molecular processes. This would tell us what the matter is doing in terms of the electrochemical and physiological structure involved.
It would tell us nothing of what it is truly about, communication. There is meaning and a relational quality to what is happening right here that will be missed when we put on the intellectual blinkers that allow us to see only brain. It’s sort of mindless as the saying goes.
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Bahman
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Memory is sort of information. Information has shape so you need space to accommodate it through wiring inside the brain. Any mental state is the result cohesive firing of neurons. No neurons firing results in dead brain.
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Bahman
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He said that memory is retrieved upon resurrection. So it should be lost upon death.
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Bahman
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Please read post #143.
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DCNBILL
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A serious investigation of The Faith would not lead to such a conclusion.
I think that you have had this question answered already but I will repeat the answer for our lurkers out there.
We have been given the gift of free will, the gift of being able to choose the will of God for our lives or to not. This is a choice of either to love God or not to love God. Only those with free will can make the free choice of love. Thus we have the ability to engage in sin (selfish behavior) or the ability to do good for “the other” (self giving behavior).
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Vico
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Angels (including fallen angels like Satan) have intelligence and will and can communicate with rational souls. Our brains are informed by the senses and by the intelligence of the rational soul. Aquinas: “since the soul is united to the body as its form, it must necessarily be in the whole body, and in each part thereof.”
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