How has the Pennsylvania scandal affected you personally?

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It becomes hard to believe on an emotional level that this is in fact Christ’s Church.

It becomes very hard to believe that it is spiritually important to stay in communion with these bishops.
This is the Church whose original leaders:
  • betrayed Christ for a little bit of cash
  • denied having anything to do with him or even knowing him
  • ran and hid when Christ was arrested
  • and persecuted/killed members of the early Church.
Not sure why you’re having a “hard time believing” that people can do bad things. We’re members of this Church because it’s the Church Christ founded, not because any one particular member – leader or follower – is holy.
 
My brother was molested as an altar boy. He brought that home and molested his siblings. My mother’s response was what I hear often in these discussions “You have to expect something like that will happen in a large family.”

I constantly read “This sort of abuse takes place everywhere” while that is undoubtedly true but does nothing to address the issue. The priest in my story was a family “friend”. Mother would never allow us to say anything negative about a clergy member, religious, or teacher. We were children, adults were ALWAYS right. She didn’t want us to ever question HER authority, so one way to ensure this was to never allow us to question any adult’s authority.

I think it was the same mindset in the Church that protected the abusers at the expense of the victims. They didn’t want the folks in the pew to question the priests or the Church so they kept it quiet and told us to offer it up for the souls in purgatory.

The abuse experienced was bad enough, but to be told that we were somehow at fault, clergy could do no wrong, we weren’t worth being protected, things like this just happen and we needed to be grateful to have the chance to help some poor soul is another layer of abuse. I was told that I would burn in hell if I employed my body for sexual pleasure, but it was ok if someone else employed my body in that manner. Knowing that my mother (and others) KNEW that this was taking place and they didn’t value me enough to protect me damaged me as much as the abuse itself.

I could understand that crap happens but I could not understand why it kept happening and why I was beaten, shamed, threatened and told I would be damned if I did not protect the perpetrators. The person abusing my brother was my brother’s confessor. He could withhold absolution. Imagine that the person raping you also could damn your soul to hell if you told someone about it.

A kid in school doesn’t have the power to tell Sister she wants to go into another line for confession, or to explain to mom (who’s soul has also been threatened by a sick clergy member who tells a kid that he can withold the sacraments from the whole family) why she doesn’t want to go to Fr so and so for confession or sit next to him at dinner.

These aren’t just stories in the evil media. We were told that the priests stood in place of Jesus. We relied on them for the sacraments that would keep us out of hell. We were told that we would be responsible for damning our families if we didn’t play along. We were told to offer it up. Not as adults, but as children who were still experiencing the abuse. We were told we were lucky to have this opportunity to suffer. This is how you get to heaven.

It’s not just some far away, old random priest fondling an altar boy, it’s a crime perpetrated against a soul in Christ’s name. Don’t think that the sex abuse took place in some sterile vacuum or that silence was bought with candy and a “get outta confession” free card. Silence was bought with threats of eternal damnation and even worse abuse to be dealt out.
 
I’m sorry that happened to you.

I agree that silencing victims is not good. I was not raised in that kind of environment so I don’t know what that is like. I have only experienced this since joining the Church. I’ve seen it countless times in this forum. ANY attempt to suggest a priest did ANYTHING even remotely wrong is shunned and shut down. It’s obviously part of Catholic culture and it’s a part that needs to change.
 
May I ask you a question I have been wondering about? Why didn’t people go to the police? I realize I am seeing this through today’s lens, but why didn’t people report it to the police? Why would people report it to the bishop, who presumably is the one that said shush?
 
Thank you, this kind of answered my question, we must have been writing at the same time.
 
This is the Church whose original leaders:
  • betrayed Christ for a little bit of cash
  • denied having anything to do with him or even knowing him
  • ran and hid when Christ was arrested
  • and persecuted/killed members of the early Church.
Not sure why you’re having a “hard time believing” that people can do bad things. We’re members of this Church because it’s the Church Christ founded, not because any one particular member – leader or follower – is holy.
There is always the hope that things are 100% different after Pentecost.

Here’s a quote-o-the-day that has been making the rounds. Napoleon Bonaparte threatened to crush the Roman Catholic Church, and Cardinal Ercole Consalvi said this in reply:
“If in 1,800 years we clergy have failed to destroy the Church, do you really think that you’ll be able to do it?”
 
I might also add, my mother has about $500,000 in her retirement account and it keeps going up. When she passes I was going to give my share which would be 1/6 to her church. Not any more, unless all parishes come clean by releasing all documents pertaining to this scandal. And those guilty are punished.
 
We must acknowledge that this is The Roman Catholic Church. I feel less confident in it, in all aspects of it. I am very sad. As a Catholic I feel complicit.
 
I’m just very saddened and very frustrated with all this and it’s shaking my faith.
Judas was an apostle, chosen by Christ Himself. And while we ought to have high expectations of our bishops and priests, some are flawed in various ways and we need to realize it’s not something peculiar to the Church. Corruption is peculiar to human beings.
 
What do you want to do? Start an Inquisition?

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I am familiar with the Spanish Inquisition. What does it have to do with child sexual abuse?
 
Not even close. If I could do it and if Pope JPII had not spoken against it, I would hang every single one of those perpetrators myself. Every single one, and with no neck-breaking drop. In fact, if I was somehow empowered to do it, I might even put Pope JPII’s admonition aside and confess it later.
Do remember that some of these perpetrators are themselves victims of abuse. They aren’t right in the head, because they were victimized as children themselves. They need to be kept far away from children, but try to remember that they may actually be less culpable for what they do than some of us are for our “lesser” crimes that we forgive ourselves for committing even though we’ve exerted ourselves far less to try to stop.

But yes, there are those firmly in the millstone category, too. Just…try to remember sometimes you don’t know the whole story and how many children haven’t been protected from this crime.
 
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But yes, there are those firmly in the millstone category, too. Just…try to remember sometimes you don’t know the whole story and how many children haven’t been protected from this crime.
I’m willing to believe that the great majority of child abusers and homosexuals who abuse young men were abused as children. In fact, some of the John Jay survey information strongly suggests it’s true. But I don’t think saying “they’re not right in the head” is sufficient. Ted Bundy and Timothy McVeigh weren’t right in the head either.

But, as I said, if I had the power and dispelled JPII from my head, I would hang every single one of them, crazy or not.
 
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