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aspirant
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Where has the Church said that it isn’t or is? I’m not aware of the Church even using this term in a manner similar to this thread.
Yes. As far as the Church is concerned, it’s a non-Christian religion.
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Lochias
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They are a cult, through and through. That is my conclusion.
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J_the_Centrist
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All sects or just some?
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Lochias
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Don’t know. None of them can be called Christian. The main LDS “church” is most assuredly a cult, at the very least.
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J_the_Centrist
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I wonder if they still practice “blood atonement”, they claim not to. In either case that was an interesting thing to learn about.
I don’t think all Mormons are a cult, LDS maybe, but all of them is something I wouldn’t claim. I know that they to a lot of good in their communities, that is something I wouldn’t associate with a cult.
They are not unlike the heretical groups of Christians who came about in the mid-second century AD. The gospel of Thomas, a mid-second century (at the very earliest) text would probably find a home among many of them. I have a copy of this “gospel” and have read it many times (being a historian I did so for scholarly reasons and nothing more) over the years and I think that some sects should consider adding it to their canon.
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kimg901
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KathleenGee
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Cult in Catholicism refers to form of worship.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam all believe in one God. Christians basically believe in the Holy Trinity, that reflects God is relational, He has to be, because His primarily character is the God of Love. Having 3 Persons in one God is not equating Divine Personhood to a human person or personality.
God’s relational identity of having 3 Persons has to do with Christ, at once eternal and in Spirit, to become Man to save us from our sins, and to redeem and renew us through Christ that we return to God through Him. Alpha and Omega.
Mormonism’s belief in God is opposite of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, because it believes in premortal existence – spirits with god(s) before deciding to be born or not, and progression towards divinity. They use Christ as model but not for Christ as Alpha and Omega, but for themselves.
The new interpretation among some Mormons is to become a better person through eternity through one’s will or works, which is not clear to me.
The temporal use of cult has been presented here on the 1st thread, that describes such an organization that uses switch and bait, undocumented sources defining its origins, and the continual changing of beliefs to draw people in, the great difficulty people have when they want to leave it, lack of transparency and accountability in the face of its subjects, condemning the Catholic creed as an abomination, and instant sainthood becoming a member, these comments of mine reflect my conviction that Mormonism is a cult on these particular points.
I personally have a high regard for the Mormon people, and see them as contributing alot of good to society, just as I do see in other organizations that are not Christian.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam all believe in one God. Christians basically believe in the Holy Trinity, that reflects God is relational, He has to be, because His primarily character is the God of Love. Having 3 Persons in one God is not equating Divine Personhood to a human person or personality.
God’s relational identity of having 3 Persons has to do with Christ, at once eternal and in Spirit, to become Man to save us from our sins, and to redeem and renew us through Christ that we return to God through Him. Alpha and Omega.
Mormonism’s belief in God is opposite of Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, because it believes in premortal existence – spirits with god(s) before deciding to be born or not, and progression towards divinity. They use Christ as model but not for Christ as Alpha and Omega, but for themselves.
The new interpretation among some Mormons is to become a better person through eternity through one’s will or works, which is not clear to me.
The temporal use of cult has been presented here on the 1st thread, that describes such an organization that uses switch and bait, undocumented sources defining its origins, and the continual changing of beliefs to draw people in, the great difficulty people have when they want to leave it, lack of transparency and accountability in the face of its subjects, condemning the Catholic creed as an abomination, and instant sainthood becoming a member, these comments of mine reflect my conviction that Mormonism is a cult on these particular points.
I personally have a high regard for the Mormon people, and see them as contributing alot of good to society, just as I do see in other organizations that are not Christian.
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TexanKnight
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Mormons are polytheists…don’t ever forget that.
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KathleenGee
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To be a premortal spirit in the presence of god, is indeed being a god in one’s self. Athanasius foresaw Christianity going back to polytheism and subsequently paganism, if not for further need to define Christ as of One Being with the Father and Spirit.
Thus this is an excellent example in that we find the fullness of Who Christ is in Sacred Scriptures – and in Sacred Tradition, the knowledge of Christ handed to us through the apostles and the bishops – their successors.
St. Athanasius was removed and exiled as bishop by fellow bishops 4 times. Mormon sophists…another sign of being a cult…totally misrepresent him to prove St. Athanasius indeed promoted eternal progression when in fact he was part of the culture defining Theosis.
Two different concepts, Mormon progression…man being god vs Theosis, man restored to God through Christ, being freed from bondage of sin and corruption, and allowed to participate in the life God again…
God’s life is eternal life we can experience now as Christians in His Mystical Body, and completely, in the sacraments, particularly the Eucharist where Christ becomes part of us, we becoming His tabernacles of the divine presence within us.
But we never are gods and never will be.
Wanting to become a god was the Original Sin and brought sin, death, and corruption to the universe…not Catholic Creed. Instead, the Catholic Creed is the profession of faith held by the entire Church to bring us into new life with Christ.
Thus this is an excellent example in that we find the fullness of Who Christ is in Sacred Scriptures – and in Sacred Tradition, the knowledge of Christ handed to us through the apostles and the bishops – their successors.
St. Athanasius was removed and exiled as bishop by fellow bishops 4 times. Mormon sophists…another sign of being a cult…totally misrepresent him to prove St. Athanasius indeed promoted eternal progression when in fact he was part of the culture defining Theosis.
Two different concepts, Mormon progression…man being god vs Theosis, man restored to God through Christ, being freed from bondage of sin and corruption, and allowed to participate in the life God again…
God’s life is eternal life we can experience now as Christians in His Mystical Body, and completely, in the sacraments, particularly the Eucharist where Christ becomes part of us, we becoming His tabernacles of the divine presence within us.
But we never are gods and never will be.
Wanting to become a god was the Original Sin and brought sin, death, and corruption to the universe…not Catholic Creed. Instead, the Catholic Creed is the profession of faith held by the entire Church to bring us into new life with Christ.
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Marie5890
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I dont think that is always true though (the worship part).
When any cause for canonization is placed before the Church, on thing that is looked at is the cult of that person (ie the following that person has.)
Could be more of a different meaning in the Latin though?
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KathleenGee
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The CCC quotes given earlier on this page in blue or the one prior, are all under the title of ‘worship’. And if you look at what ‘cult’ is in the CCC, it says to go to ‘Worship’.
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aspirant
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This demonstrates my point, which I also made earlier in the thread. The Catholic Church does not use the term “cult” in a manner similar to this thread, so it doesn’t comment on whether Mormons are a cult in the manner this thread appears to use the term.
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kimg901
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I know what you are saying. I havent read what I typed about. I just assumed it would have info on how they use they word
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KathleenGee
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The Vatican didn’t even know much of what Mormonism was. It began to change when the Church learned more about its actual beliefs as well as finding out it was accessing Catholic sacramental records and using them for the temple proxy baptisms into Mormonism.
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zaffiroborant
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How is the LDS a cult? In that it won’t let people who have left the church, written and asked to be removed from membership, alone. They send “home teachers” to non-members, that’s cult like. From someone who has tried to leave but the church won’t leave them alone.
If you try to leave but they won’t leave you alone, you might be a member of a cult.
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TexanKnight
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true
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debbie_h
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I absolutely agree with your statement. I was born & raised as a Mormon, but when I was old enough to decide I didn’t want to go to the Mormon church anymore, I saw how ludacris these teachings are. I mean true christianity does not require one to pay their way to be allowed into the ‘celestial kingdom’
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