How is this even possible?

[Cathoholic]

PaulinVA . . .

After three years in office, Trump (or any President) OWNS EVERYTHING.

If you really think that Paul,
would you mind linking me to three of your links
correcting people here on CAF
who insisted the economic recovery was due to Obama?

 

[PetraG]

Just because I think his complaint about bad tests being the fault of the Obama Administration is totally bogus does not mean that I think he is the 100% Bad President Who Never Does Anything Right.

I don’t think we’ve had the 100% Bad or the 100% Good President yet, nor will we ever have one.

It is his contention that in Donald Trump we have elected the Best President Possible that is ridiculous. No, he’s not. His silly pretense that he is the Simply and Always the Best President Possible is one of the biggest handicaps he puts on his Administration. It is one of the silliest premises possible and whenever someone tries to defend it, they just wind up looking silly.

 

[PaulinVA]

If you really think that Paul,
would you mind linking me to three of your links
correcting people here on CAF
who insisted the economic recovery was due to Obama?

Upthread I explained that I don’t include the economy in that. Too many factors at play.

However, If the economy under Trump is just following an upward trajectory started under Obama, what do we make of that? If the stock market always goes up-, and the economy always grows, how much can we credit/blame a President for any particular recovery?

 

[PetraG]

Upthread I explained that I don’t include the economy in that. Too many factors at play.

However, If the economy under Trump is just following an upward trajectory started under Obama, what do we make of that? If the stock market always goes up-, and the economy always grows, how much can we credit/blame a President for any particular recovery?

That’s always the question. We know federal policy has an effect. We know the President has to have an effect on emotional factors such as consumer confidence, stock market confidence, and so on. It is pretty hard to say how much. (People gain and lose fortunes trying to guess!)

 

[Cathoholic]

PaulinVA . . .

After three years in office, Trump (or any President) OWNS EVERYTHING.

Cathoholic. . . .

If you really think that Paul,
would you mind linking me to three of your links
correcting people here on CAF
who insisted the economic recovery was due to Obama?

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PaulinVA . . .

. . . I don’t include the economy in that. . . .

Naturally.

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To the readers here.

The excuses never end.

In another month or two these guys will be blasting Trump on the economy too.

You watch. Don’t be fooled by that when it happens.

 

[PaulinVA]

Naturally

Please. We’re not five year olds.

In another month or two these guys will be blasting Trump on the economy too.

So, Trump says, “Reelect me. Best economy Ever”.

Then, covid 19 happens and the economy tanks. I don’t have to say anything. It’s not his fault it tanked. BUT, he needs to come up with another reason for reelection.

 

[PetraG]

The excuses never end.

You have still not explained what on earth tests leftover from the Obama Administration even possibly failed to protect our country as we could have expected in 2020, so…

In another month or two these guys will be blasting Trump on the economy too.

You watch. Don’t be fooled by that when it happens.

You didn’t believe him when he tweeted that it is going to BOOM?
Why would anybody be blasting him, if that happens? If that happens, it will be wonderful.

 

[Minks]

ColoradoCatholic:

I just think that there are two sides to this whole thing,

Idk, a pandemic seems pretty indiscriminate to me. Unless we’re talking about whatever Deep State crockery you’re trying to drum up. Or vaccinations. You’re jumping all over the place and it’s very hard to keep up.

either you go along with the mainstream media, or not ( I don’t trust the media at all).

You linked to Snopes though?

Honest question because that is what they are talking about.

Who is they and what are they talking about? If you mean vaccinations, then I say go for it, because medicine is good for you and getting a virus sucks. If you mean the latest government fiasco in managing Covid, I say it’s yet another mistake to add to the administration’s ever-growing pile.
If you’re still in this man-made Coivd theory, I say it’s a load of hogwash that reeks of an 8chan conspiracy theory.

And yes admittedly a bad post earlier, though I still believe it to be man made.

Excluding the fact that almost every expert disagrees with this, what would any country have to gain by starting a global pandemic? Their reward is dead citizens and an economy on lockdown.

Well, since you ask, there are some in this country, as evidenced by the extreme vitriol shown on these World News threads, who will stop at nothing and stoop to anything in order to stop Trump in any way possible. In spite of the extreme measures to end Trump’s presidency by the frenzied individuals running the House of Representatives, this nation was on a roll—enjoying the “highest society” since records had been kept. What else, besides a disastrous pandemic that shuts down this country economically and devastates voters financially and emotionally, could have stopped Trump’s re-election? But, gosh, like the Tylenol murder, with only the US being affected, suspicion might be aroused.

As they’ve proven over and over, China’s government officials are adversarial to most countries throughout the world. Look how they treat their own people. Any time they help another country, look carefully and you’ll see that they’re helping themselves more. There are too many US universities and businesses in IT technology and the sciences that are too tight with Chinese connections. It’s certainly within the realm of possibility (shocking, but, still, a possibility) that one or more of these connections colluded with and facilitated the Wuhan viral pandemic in another Tylenol situation designed not to hide a murder, but for murders to hide the one force from which our nation could not quickly recover, and in so doing, stop Trump’s re-election.

 

[PetraG]

Well, since you ask, there are some in this country, as evidenced by the extreme vitriol shown on these threads, who will stop at nothing and stoop to anything in order to stop Trump in any way possible.

They will stop at nothing?

Why is it “extreme vitriol” to ask what on earth Obama-era tests the President expected to be able to use in this pandemic and could not? It was a claim he made spontaneously and has repeated. What on earth does he even mean by that?

What test was supposed to be in place when Obama left office to deal with this 2020 pandemic? How is that even possible?

Answer the question.

If you want to give some evidence for your conspiracy theories that some party official unleashed a pandemic that targets the age group that runs the Communist Party, start your own thread.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

I think some people are just opposed to seeing what is truly going on. Maybe they are scared, maybe they have their own reasons. Thanks for helping me out though, the best we can do is explain to people that this isn’t normal despite the fact those sinister powers are trying to make it the “new normal.”

 

[PetraG]

I think some people are just opposed to seeing what is truly going on. Maybe they are scared, maybe they have their own reasons. Thanks for helping me out though, the best we can do is explain to people that this isn’t normal despite the fact those sinister powers are trying to make it the “new normal.”

Again: Start your own conspiracy theory thread, if that’s the idea you want to push. You might try starting with some evidence instead of just cooking up rumors based on some cloak-and-dagger science fiction plot you think could be plausible. (Start with answering what person or persons in their right mind would try to start a worldwide pandemic in their own country in the hopes that it couldn’t be stopped from spreading to the entire world. What kind of a bonehead would do that? That would be like Tonya Harding having herself knee-capped before she had her boyfriend have a go at Nancy Kerrigan.)

Now that you have decided to post here, answer the question posed or else just admit that you don’t have any answer.

 

[ColoradoCatholic]

Its not a conspiracy if it is true. I’m done on this thread, all it’s doing is causing angst.

 

[Maximus1]

Trump knew more than the world renowned medical experts around him. Lol. Start calling him, The Trump. Like a Marvel super hero. Lol

 

[Pattylt]

The President’s statement made no sense to me at all. Often, I have a very hard time trying to decipher what he’s trying to say. Medical tests is my area of semi expertise and I assure you NO testing has a three year shelf life. Most of the reagents used are one year at a maximum…often 6 months.

If China manufactured this virus, they certainly shot themselves in the foot. We quickly came to the realization that depending upon China to produce our medical needs with nothing here in the US as backup was a huge mistake and one that will most likely be corrected. Especially because the President agrees that manufacturing should be brought back to the US. I’ve agreed with this policy all along and now we realize the implications of not doing so. China will lose manufacturing because of this and their entire economy is very dependent on it!

I’ve read some of the papers about the genetic structure of this virus and it contains no markers of having been a manufactured virus. This should be laid to rest…it’s wrong!

 

[PetraG]

Its not a conspiracy if it is true. I’m done on this thread, all it’s doing is causing angst.

In other words, you don’t have any answer to the question posed by the thread.

That took long enough.

 

[PetraG]

Trump knew more than the world renowned medical experts around him. Lol. Start calling him, The Trump. Like a Marvel super hero. Lol

Apparently he had no idea what was in the federal cupboards…I’m still not sure he does.

 

[PetraG]

The President’s statement made no sense to me at all. Often, I have a very hard time trying to decipher what he’s trying to say. Medical tests is my area of semi expertise and I assure you NO testing has a three year shelf life. Most of the reagents used are one year at a maximum…often 6 months.

If China manufactured this virus, they certainly shot themselves in the foot. We quickly came to the realization that depending upon China to produce our medical needs with nothing here in the US as backup was a huge mistake and one that will most likely be corrected. Especially because the President agrees that manufacturing should be brought back to the US. I’ve agreed with this policy all along and now we realize the implications of not doing so. China will lose manufacturing because of this and their entire economy is very dependent on it!

I’ve read some of the papers about the genetic structure of this virus and it contains no markers of having been a manufactured virus. This should be laid to rest…it’s wrong!

Thank you…that was my sense: that is, that the reagents in medical tests just do not have a 3-year shelf life.

I think we did learn a hard lesson. Had this pandemic been similar to the pandemic of 1918, the lesson would have been even harder. This is terrible, but Heaven help us, it is easy to imagine how it could have been even worse. Yes, I have the idea that he wants to bring at least some of our most vital manufacturing back here, and that is good news.

 

[Maximus1]

China had no problem sending it here. But that’s meaningless now that it is here.
Feels like the nation has abandoned it’s momentary embrace of the value of life.
I think it’s over. It’s about to get ugly.

 

[Maximus1]

Could have been? There is no reason to think that it isn’t going to continue and in places get worse.

 

[Pattylt]

I think you’re partially right and I hope not completely right! For the next year at the least, we will continue to see jumps in areas where people live in crowded conditions and in certain work areas where social distancing are near impossible. I’m not sure we will ever see a vaccine. We still don’t have one for the related SARS and MERS. Some vaccines are solvable and some are not. I definitely don’t see one for at least a year and more likely two if we ever get one.

All other testing for detection and antibodies will improve so diagnosing will be easier and much more abundant.

What we really should be hoping for is a treatment. The very sick and elderly probably won’t benefit from new treatments as their systems seem to just collapse so fast with this virus but I’m hoping anyway.