How is traditional catholicism different from catholicism

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pnewton said:
Most Catholics would be appalled if Protestants called Catholicism an infection. In accord with the golden rule, such rhetoric is unseemly.
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Most Protestants would also be offended if we called what they believe “heresy”, but that’s what it is… :rolleyes:

That’s not uncharitable, it’s just how it is. Sure, “infected” may be a little strong, but it has the right idea. An infection is something within you which causes problems.
 
StGerardMajella said:
i don’t ever remember these changes 20-25 years ago. has this been a gradual transition where the novus ordo keeps getting worse over time?
…who allowed all of these radical changes? since when did it become the norm to place the tabernacle at the side of the altar? i don’t get it.
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Your observation are only your perspective. I do not know that most Catholics would agree with you. It is hard to comment on an specific, except to join in a slam fest, when so many emotionally charge and slanted terms are used.
 
OnlyAmbrose said:
Most Protestants would also be offended if we called what they believe “heresy”, but that’s what it is… :rolleyes:

That’s not uncharitable, it’s just how it is. Sure, “infected” may be a little strong, but it has the right idea. An infection is something within you which causes problems.
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Heresy is a specific theological term. Infection is a medical term. It is used for insult and propaganda value. It is easy to issue propaganda than arguments. The only downside is that it colors all traditionalists as a bunch of uncharitable extremists when this sort of language is used.
 
bkovacs said:
You mean infected with Protestantism!.👍
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Today I just furthered my friend from work with her progressing conversion FROM a Reformed Church Protestant to Catholicism - she attended yesterday and today (for the first time) an “infected” OF mass . Her comments: “I was so moved by the words of the mass and I SAW the REVERENCE of all who went up to communion for the Eucharist. I WANT THAT!!”

How many protestants have you converted this week into the confusion of the Angry Trad mess?

Just a thought about whe MISSION we have…
 
lentang2 said:
Today I just furthered my friend from work with her progressing conversion FROM a Reformed Church Protestant to Catholicism - she attended yesterday and today (for the first time) an “infected” OF mass . Her comments: “I was so moved by the words of the mass and I SAW the REVERENCE of all who went up to communion for the Eucharist. I WANT THAT!!”

How many protestants have you converted this week into the confusion of the Angry Trad mess?

Just a thought about whe MISSION we have…
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Is your mission to widen the chasm which divides us?

2 points for reflection:

–it is certainly possible that the OF Mass she attended was Reverent

or

–it was so similar to what she was used to that she felt enough at ease to notice Christ’s Real Presence.

either way, she was certainly blessed by Christ.

Unfortunately, the same can’t be said for your presentation of her experience.
 
bkovacs said:
You mean infected with Protestantism!.👍
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I would say that the poster you refer to, means exactly what she says…New Age. For a greater understanding about New Age Catholicism, see this site. An excerpt:

We are committed Christians, but we feel very much part of New Age hopes and aspirations:
we acknowledge the primacy of spirit over matter;
we are concerned for our environment;
we respect what is valuable in all truly spiritual traditions;
we accept all human beings as our brothers and sisters;
we support the efforts to make ours a better world;
we believe that salvation affects the whole person in body and soul.

spiritual-wholeness.org/

I have known several New Age Catholics…notice I said “**have **known” because I didn’t maintain the “friendship”. The New Agers that I met are far from the Catholic faith. Notice that in their “creed” above there is no mention of Christ & His redemption of sinners.
 
pnewton said:
Your observation are only your perspective. I do not know that most Catholics would agree with you. It is hard to comment on an specific, except to join in a slam fest, when so many emotionally charge and slanted terms are used.
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Her “observations” are not “only her perspective”. Many Catholics share her confusfion & ignoring the causes of same will not make them go away.

She asked "why the Tabernacle sets off to the side of the sanctuary/in another room altogether/some neglected spot within the Church where it will be “out of the way” & when this was approved by the Church.

She asked when & why these “radical changes” occured. I’m going to take her questions a little further by defining what **I **mean when I say “radical changes” & the displacement of the Tabernacle is only one of them. Others are the blending of the ordained priesthood & the laity, the secularization of the Mass, the hand-holding, clapping & chatting, the priests bringing in props for the sermon…oh, excuse me…the homily, the EEM’s, lectors, greeters & ushers roaming about the Church to position themselves for the performance of their “duties” etc., etc., ad infinitum.

If one cannot (or will not) answer these questions, perhaps one ought not to post a reply.
 
CradleCath said:
Her “observations” are not “only her perspective”. Many Catholics share her confusfion & ignoring the causes of same will not make them go away.
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I do not know how you define “many” but most Catholics are not traditionalists and do not share the traditionalist mindset that things are going to hell in a hand basket. Even most traditionalist I have met here think things are improving over the last twenty years.
 
michelle_p said:
Exactly !!
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This should never deteriorate to an “us versus them” mentality. They are us and we are them.

I would hesitate to speculate on conversion numbers, as there simply aren’t records on such things. And traditionalists an mostly not an angry mass. They are Catholics, like us. They vary in temperment, like us, They are us.
 
lentang2 said:
I am trying to illustrate that the “chasm” in your mind is, well, in your mind and maybe you just look for its verification…

2 points for reflection:

Why the scepticism? Why would you suspect the OF Mass would be irreverent? (your angry trad is showing)

or

Or do you mean so dissimilar that she sees the Real Presence? (your angry trad is showing)

AMEN Maurin!

Ouch. (your angry trad is keeps hanging out…please tuck in back in)😃

MAURIN: Read my post 50 times and ponder what I am saying to you…
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lentang, the only chasm you have demonstrated is the chasm which exists between what I actually wrote and how you responded to it.

Please, lentang, read your post and then my post 50 times in succession…maybe you will understand what I have said and how you responded. It appears that you have missed the mark.

And it also causes me to wonder who the angry Catholic really is: the Traditional one or the liberal modernist one, who is tolerant of anything and everything except Tradition.
 
ethelzguy said:
:rotfl:
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What strikes me as absolutely inappropriate is that Paul has asked a legitimate question: the vast majority of the Traditionalists who are responding on this forum are not responding in anger, but giving serious thought to and rational support from–as Walking Home has pointed out–the Church’s own documents, as well as their own personal experiences in their own Dioceses.

And it is considerede an appropriate response, laughing in Paul’s face ?

I think the wolf has taken off his sheep’s clothing.
 
Walking_Home said:
So sad —when the only thing one has left are the little icons.
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Better to spend one’s life happy in the Church, than in self-inflicted misery directed TOWARD the Church. 👍

PS…the emoticons were put there by CAF to use. In fact, they just added many new ones ! Enjoy !:thankyou:
 
maurin said:
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Originally Posted by ethelzguy View Post

What strikes me as absolutely inappropriate is that Paul has asked a legitimate question: the vast majority of the Traditionalists who are responding on this forum are not responding in anger, but giving serious thought to and rational support from–as Walking Home has pointed out–the Church’s own documents, as well as their own personal experiences in their own Dioceses.

And it is considerede an appropriate response, laughing in Paul’s face ?

I think the wolf has taken off his sheep’s clothing.
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Well said --maurin.
 
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