How is traditional catholicism different from catholicism

[maurin]

Better to spend one’s life happy in the Church, than in self-inflicted misery directed TOWARD the Church.

PS…the emoticons were put there by CAF to use. In fact, they just added many new ones ! Enjoy !:thankyou:

2 irresponsible remarks:

1. I suggest you still have not understood the distinction between The Church and certain Churchmen

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1. I wonder if the Administration of CAF intended the icons to be used in a manner which is both inappropriate and unnecessarily hurtful.

 

[maurin]

2 irresponsible remarks:

1. I suggest you still have not understood the distinction between The Church and certain Churchmen

and

1. I wonder if the Administration of CAF intended the icons to be used in a manner which is inappropriate and unnecessarily hurtful.

I’m sure many of us do enjoy watching you use them…it certainly does tell us alot about where you are “in your journey and walk with the Lord,” if I might borrow a phrase from secular Christianity.

 

[Paul_Folbrecht]

Better to spend one’s life happy in the Church, than in self-inflicted misery directed TOWARD the Church.

PS…the emoticons were put there by CAF to use. In fact, they just added many new ones ! Enjoy !:thankyou:

I think you’re the one who directs misery towards the Church. You do this by insinuating time & time again - in virtually every post you make here - that orthodoxy and obedience don’t matter. No teaching of heresy, no trashing of the Mass, no amount of ignoring or disparaging Rome & the Pontiff is of concern to you, and according to you, none of these things should be of any concern to anyone else, either.

You base everything you say on the false premise that you’re the one defending the Church, but you must know yourself that you simply take the side of the unorthodox/disobedient on virtually every issue and thus put yourself against the Church. I see a great zeal in defending certain churchmen, but no real defense of the Church.

I can’t see how someone who was a happy, orthodox Catholic would spend their time doing what you do here. I just can’t understand that.

You go on my ignore list now, for good.

 

[Walking_Home]

Better to spend one’s life happy in the Church, than in self-inflicted misery directed TOWARD the Church.

PS…the emoticons were put there by CAF to use. In fact, they just added many new ones ! Enjoy !:thankyou:

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Again your little ploy ethelzguy. Trying to turn this into some sort of attack on the Church. Seems you never tire of using it.

Yes – the emoticons were put there by CAF—but hadn’t come across someone who abused them to such an extent --till --well you know.

 

[ethelzguy]

Again your little ploy ethelzguy. Trying to turn this into some sort of attack on the Church. Seems you never tire of using it.

As long as people continue to attack the Church, I will continue to defend the Church and it’s authority to do as it sees fit.

Pray, Pay, and Obey.

 

[maurin]

As long as people continue to attack the Church, I will continue to defend the Church and it’s authority to do as it sees fit.

Pray, Pay, and Obey.

and yet your failure to understand the difference between attacking the Church and addressing the issues brought forth from the actions and statements of certain Churchmen causes you to appear like Don Quixote–chasing windmills.

 

[ethelzguy]

I can’t see how someone who was a happy, orthodox Catholic would spend their time doing what you do here. I just can’t understand that.

Yet, you come here and write a post that claims that those who embrace Communion in the hand are in conflict with the Popes.

THAT should be considered “orthodox”?

 

[Walking_Home]

As long as people continue to attack the Church, I will continue to defend the Church and it’s authority to do as it sees fit.

Pray, Pay, and Obey.

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ethelzguy — truth is not based on how many times you accuse us of attacking the Church. It is not going to stick.

 

[maurin]

Yet, you come here and write a post that claims that those who embrace Communion in the hand are in conflict with the Popes.

THAT should be considered “orthodox”?

Very inaccurate. Paul’s posts on the subject were in reference to an approved by the CHurch private revelation.

Is an approved private revelation in conflict with the Popes? Wouldn’t that be considered an oxymoron?

 

[Walking_Home]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Folbrecht View Post
I can’t see how someone who was a happy, orthodox Catholic would spend their time doing what you do here. I just can’t understand that.

Yet, you come here and write a post that claims that those who embrace Communion in the hand are in conflict with the Popes.

THAT should be considered “orthodox”?

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Take note ethelzguy. Just as there is difference between the Church and the Churchmen in Her ----there is a difference between being in conflict with a Pope’s personal opinion and conflict with the Pope. Simple and easy concept to understand.

 

[ethelzguy]

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Take note ethelzguy. Just as there is difference between the Church and the Churchmen in Her ----there is a difference between being in conflict with a Pope’s personal opinion and conflict with the Pope. Simple and easy concept to understand.

The veiled implication, however, is still the same.

 

[maurin]

The veiled implication, however, is still the same.

not at all…because there is no implication other than there are, as Scripture tells us, the poor in every age, the false teacher in every age. The blind, in every age, will lead the blind into the pit.

It is the Rock of the Ages, and the Rock on which Jesus builds His Church with Him as the Cornerstone which remains steady, and to which we cling.

It is to the men to whom it has been entrusted to teach–those certain Priests and those certain Bishops–who fail at their calling, that we respond to.

So your statement fails in it’s refusal to grasp the fundamental difference between the Church which never changes, and certain Churchmen who do change the Church’s teachings.

 

[Walking_Home]

The veiled implication, however, is still the same.

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Don’t see a veiled implication in what Paul posted. But coming from your end —well --veiled and direct erroneous accusations.

 

[CradleCath]

I do not know how you define “many” but most Catholics are not traditionalists and do not share the traditionalist mindset that things are going to hell in a hand basket. Even most traditionalist I have met here think things are improving over the last twenty years.

Just want you to know that I define “many” as, at least, half of those who are registered as Catholics. The group I speak of, who are so totally confused & disheartened that they’ll seldom be found at either Mass, are part of the 66% of Catholics who don’t attend any Mass weekly, who no longer go to confession or practice their faith in the usual way. I know several Catholics personally who fall into this category. They don’t formally renounce the faith**, v****ery** few join another Church, they are just “on the sidelines of the faith”.

I agree that things are improving…but for the past 20 years??..no. Things have been improving here for the past 3-5 years. As for “going to hell”, I think that we have a different view of that wording. The Catholic Church will never “go to hell”, we have Christ’s promise on that. However, unless liberal Catholics quit hiding their head in the sand, happy with the way things are:

**regional priest shortages
**low attendance for the Sacraments
**a reluctance to call the abuse crisis by it’s name…Pederasty.
**annulments granted for “iffy” reasons. (Unfortunately, the number of annulments of Catholic marriages rose from 1952, when the number was **359 worldwide ** to **to 73,000 by 1997. **
**Catholics living together without the benefits of marriage & receiving the Eucharist every Sunday while doing so.
**poorly Catechized Catholics
This list could continue for quite a while, but I think you have the picture.

There are many things that the Catholics in the Novus Ordo pews seem happy to overlook. I’m not. You seem to think that Traditional Catholics are pessimists. They aren’t. They’re just not willing to accept anything less than the Church founded by Christ. Since it’s made up of human beings, there were always be problems…but, not like this… liberalism that has made it impossible to differentiate between a Catholic & a non-Catholic.

 

[pnewton]

Just want you to know that I define “many” as, at least, half of those who are registered as Catholics. The group I speak of, who are so totally confused & disheartened that they’ll seldom be found at either Mass, are part of the 66% of Catholics who don’t attend any Mass weekly, who no longer go to confession or practice their faith in the usual way.

I see. I never count those. I have never seen a Church anywhere that didn’t have more nominal members than attendees. This even takes into account the fact that other denominations have members that join as adults instead of being baptised as infants. I do not know when this became the norm, but I know it was true throughout the sixties.

 

[palmas85]

Today I just furthered my friend from work with her progressing conversion FROM a Reformed Church Protestant to Catholicism - she attended yesterday and today (for the first time) an “infected” OF mass . Her comments: “I was so moved by the words of the mass and I SAW the REVERENCE of all who went up to communion for the Eucharist. I WANT THAT!!”

How many protestants have you converted this week into the confusion of the Angry Trad mess?

Just a thought about whe MISSION we have…

You know the sheer hatred that you guys exhibit for anything even remotely traditional is frightening to say the least.

 

[mullenpm]

I am saddened by the hatred that comes across on this forum.

How can one Catholic actually “hate” another Catholic because of their preference for one type of Mass over another.

We are all Catholics, and the Mass is the Mass; regardless of whether it is the Trinitine or the Pauline.

What is the matter with you?

I grew up in the 30s with the so-called “traditional” Mass and now I attend church with the NO Mass; I see no lack of reverence as mentioned on this forum and others dealing with the traditional Mass.

I see no drums, pop songs, dancing, guitars, etc. Not since the 60’s, anyway.

At any church I have attended with the NO Mass the people were just as reverent as I remember at the Mass when I was younger.

The choir at my church is exceptional, as is the cantor when she sings alone at some Masses. We do not hold hands during the Lord’s Prayer; we have no guitars, or any other form of accompaniment to the singers except the organ.

And I certainly do not believe that the majority of Catholics are so confused and disheartened by the changes that they no longer go to Confession - nor practice their religion in the “usual” way.

What are they confused and disheartened about? Perhaps they need to go to Confession and talk it over with the Priest.

Get over it, please; it is scandalous.

 

[CradleCath]

I see. I never count those.

I count them, especially those who are still Catholic in their hearts. I know many personally. Some of them lived their first 20 years with the Church a part of their daily lives. They are in their 60’s now, just like I am. The Church nourished their faith during those 20 years. The Mass showed them Catholic dignity & reverence for the Almighty. It shared with them the lives of the Saints &** taught** them the Mass. (My brothers were very young when they started serving Mass, yet their Latin pronunciation was perfect & their understanding of the language was good) Sermons reminded them what was right & what was wrong. THIS Catholic Church left them just as they were becoming adults in the 60’s & 70’s. Some of them had served in Vietnam & the liberality within their parishes was waiting for them when they returned home.

I also count those who, catechized during the 70’s…with no firm knowledge of what Catholicism is…have left the faith since then. They attend Mass once a month or so & stare blankly at anyone who mentions the Council of Trent. (Some have not heard of Vatican II.)

I have never seen a Church anywhere that didn’t have more nominal members than attendees.

That tells me that you were born after the second Vatican council. Weekly, Catholic Church attendance before that stood at 74%. While that certainly isn’t perfect, it’s not cause for alarm. The 33% attendance at Sunday Mass that we see today…IS.

 

[ethelzguy]

That tells me that you were born after the second Vatican council. Weekly, Catholic Church attendance before that stood at 74%. While that certainly isn’t perfect, it’s not cause for alarm. The 33% attendance at Sunday Mass that we see today…IS.

 

[CradleCath]

I grew up in the 30s with the so-called “traditional” Mass and now I attend church with the NO Mass; I see no lack of reverence as mentioned on this forum and others dealing with the traditional Mass.

I see no drums, pop songs, dancing, guitars, etc. Not since the 60’s, anyway.

At any church I have attended with the NO Mass the people were just as reverent as I remember at the Mass when I was younger.

The choir at my church is exceptional, as is the cantor when she sings alone at some Masses. We do not hold hands during the Lord’s Prayer; we have no guitars, or any other form of accompaniment to the singers except the organ.

You are blessed indeed! If your parish holds a reverent, N.0. Mass, as you have described. . Now, if you can tell me that

**You don’t use Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers every Sunday,

**Gregorian Chant has a pride of place at your Masses,

**Some Latin is used, (especially during the Sanctus & the Agnus Dei),

**You know where the Tabernacle is,

**You can find 15 sequential minutes of SILENCE ( 2 minutes here & 4 minutes there don’t count) during your Mass…tiimes when no one, including the Priest, is speaking,
No one is shaking hands, or lifting them to celebrate the Lord’s Prayer or finding the place where they’ll sit prior to their time within the Sanctuary, there are no “greeters”, ushers, etc. moving about…15 whole minutes of the silence that enables one to actually listen to what God is saying or simply kneel in quiet worship…

If you can guarantee a Novus Ordo Mass like this, I’ll leave my TLM parish & move to yours.