How many Catholics do you know who are TOTALLY (orthodox) Roman Catholic?

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Myself, I don’t know that many people,* personally *(hermit syndrome) but from what I’m reading here @ CAF, and elsewhere, I’d say there is only about 30% real Catholics in the world, those who believe ALL that the Church teaches, who believe and obey even when they don’t u/stand something perfectly.

I’ve heard that only 30% of Catholics believe the RCC teaching on birth control (artif). i just wish i knew who did that “study” because that result would depend on which “Catholics” were asked. Daily Mass attendees would answer differently than, say, Nancy Pelosi… :rolleyes:
 
Thankfully, I’m starting to know more and more Catholics that faithfully adhere to the teachings of the Church. Ironically, I have to step outside of my family though however I’m thankful to all the friends I have made over the past few years that ARE faithful Catholics.
 
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I’ve heard that only 30% of Catholics believe the RCC teaching on birth control (artif). i just wish i knew who did that “study” because that result would depend on which “Catholics” were asked. Daily Mass attendees would answer differently than, say, Nancy Pelosi… :rolleyes:
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From what I’ve seen on these forums, that 30% number you quote is probably way, way. way high. Like about 10X.
 
tamccrackine said:
Thankfully, I’m starting to know more and more Catholics that faithfully adhere to the teachings of the Church. Ironically, I have to step outside of my family though however I’m thankful to all the friends I have made over the past few years that ARE faithful Catholics.
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i don’t know many (or if i do, i’m afraid to get to know them well)

it would be nice to have a friend who really believes the way the Church teaches…

every time i think i’ve found someone like that, though… i get shown I’m wrong. But again, i don’t socialize much so i know its partly my own fault… meaning, out of a 100 people, there should be at least 20 who are really practicing… so if i could just get out and meet that 100, i might be OK.

so, do you try to convince “bad Catholics” of their error? or do you stay away from them?
 
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From what I’ve seen on these forums, that 30% number you quote is probably way, way. way high. Like about 10X.
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well, i kinda was thinking 20% but thought i would give people the benefit ofthe doubt…

i figured that if only 30% accept the artif birth control prohibition, maybe that’s the same % of true Catholics. (I never was good at anything that had to do with #s :hypno: so if this statement defies logic, you know why…

i’ve also heard that 30% is all who believe in the Real Presence (Transubstatiation)

so 30% seemed like a good %…

even so, i have found VERY few truly Christian, truly Catholic (meaning Practicing what they Preach) people in my life…
(again, i isolate, so … that explains things to some extent)
 
Probably 10% is high. When I look at how much thicker the Cathechism is than the New Testament part of my bible my only reaction is who can understand, believe, or know all that? I heard a rabbi say that his faith is great at putting ever bigger circles around a basic belief. For example, somewhere the bible speaks of boiling a baby in his mother’s milk so now he can’t eat a cheeseburger. I’m sure my Old Testament analogy is not exact, but you get the idea. We are probably worse.

Yeah, birth control is the issue everyone cites. On the other hand, it is difficult to read how George Weigle finesses his dissent to JP2’s just war policy.
 
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For example, somewhere the bible speaks of boiling a baby in his mother’s milk so now he can’t eat a cheeseburger.
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What!!!

i have absolutely no idea what this means… i know of a part in the bible that speaks of doing this to a COW but… i still don’t get what you are saying… :confused:
Yeah, birth control is the issue everyone cites. On the other hand, it is difficult to read how George Weigle finesses his dissent to JP2’s just war policy.
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how does he dissent? In 1 or 2 sentences what does the just war policy say?

i think it says there has to be a reasonable chance of winning, a good cause and … can’t recall the rest…
 
It’s “boiling a kid in the mother’s milk”. Kid = baby goat, not baby human and it’s in Deuteronomy and Exodus. Meat & Dairy should not mix because milk = life (like, being nourished from the mother), and meat = flesh/death. I’ve also heard it’s because it’s cruel to cook offspring in their mother’s milk.
 
One day we will all be 100% faithful Catholics, or we will all be in hell for eternity!

"Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’ " (Mt 7:21-23)

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

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To me, the only TOTALLY 100% orthodox Catholic is one who never sins. So I guess there aren’t too many of us, because if one sins, one is doing something against Church teaching.

But if you are talking about totally orthodox beliefs, I don’t think there are too many, even among the diehard ultratraditionalists, because even they can’t agree on everything and question the orthodoxy of each other’s beliefs.

So I would say that this is a rather subjective question, depending on what you call “orthodox”, and really can’t be measured.
 
I depends. Those in my extended family who remain Catholic I’d say only one or two are totally orthodox Catholic. Those that I have got to know or am getting to know that are not related are the ones who go to church and I would say are 100% orthodox Catholic.

I don’t agree with everything the Church teaches but those things I don’t personally hold with I keep anyway because I have submitted myself to the discipline of the Church. The things I don’t agree with are, in my mind, minor matters anyway.
 
Being a believing, 100% orthodox Catholic, doesn’t mean you don’t sin, everyone sins.

It means you accept the authority of Jesus Christ, the authority He gave to St. Peter when He said;

“He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 **Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.” (Mt 16: 15-20) **

You do not have to understand and agree with everything Jesus taught us through His Catholic Church. We will never have a complete understanding until we are fully accepted into the Beatific Vision in Heaven by God. We must only have Faith, we must open our heart to Jesus and He will do the rest!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
 
As you can see from my screen name I’ve spent many years in catechesis. I’d say that the problem in not so much that Catholics don’t “buy” what the Church teaches, but rather they don’t “know” what she teaches.

At the last judgement, I’m afraid we catechists will have to answer for all the people God sent to us hungry for the Word of life to whom we gave secular candy. That Word is so simple the poorest and most lowly can get it but so beautiful and deep that the wisest can contemplate it and never plumb its furtherest reaches.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem …

Beginning at birth, and throughout life, you tell them stories.

From 6 to 12 you take advantage of their God-given ability to memorize and and they learn by heart scripture, prayers, lists (ten commandments, gifts of the H. S. et cetera), simple declarative statements such as, “God made me to know him, love him, and serve him in this world, and to be happy with him forever in the next. A sacrament is an outward sign …” and so on.

At 12 years, when the gift of abstract thinking dawns, you unpack the treasures they have stored in their memories and look at what they mean in an age appropriate way (That would be different for a kid who is 12 and one who is 17). This is when you start talking about WHY? HOW? This is when the facts lodged in their sharp little brains take root in their hearts.

It’s my observation, we threw the Child Jesus out with the bathwater sometime in the woo woo 70’s. Whatever the faults of the Catholic Church in America before 1970, we knew our faith better then.
 
I only know five. There are 3 people who sit near me at the Latin mass, whom I don’t know well, then also my brother and sister. I no longer try to convince anyone else. They mostly don’t care about the church, and/or are firm in the things they themselves have picked to believe, and are only influenced by what their televisions tell them. 😦
 
I think I know several (though who can say for sure?). But they’re all older people. I think that’s significant because it’s easier for an old person to abide by the Church’s difficult teachings (especially those dealing with sexual morality). Your sex drive has weakened, you or your wife is past child-bearing age, or you’re a widow/widower. You just don’t have as much occasion to sin.
 
It depends on how you define totally orthodox. If you mean how many do I think exactly agree with everything I think the Church teaches - maybe zero. But we can’t even all agree on what the Church teaches. If you mean how many exactly agree with everything they think the Church teaches - a very few. If you mean how many exactly agree with everything that Church teaches and live their life that way - back to zero.

But if you mean how many try to apply the Church’s teachings as best they can in accord with their conscience and making a good faith effort to be good Christians - the vast majority.

So I guess we are back to the argument at the heart of most threads on this forum - what is a Catholic?

BTW - for the % of Catholics that accept (as in both believe and follow) the Church’s teaching on birth control, my personal opinion, based only on anecdote and personal experience, is that it is way less than 10%, probably less than 5%. If you only count fertile married people the number gets closer to zero.
 
I know quite a few. Most of the people I pray the Latin Mass with are very orthodox and traditional in their beliefs. There is one family in particular who has 8 children, all homeschooled from kindergarten through high school. Two of them are now pursuing vocations; the oldest son is in his second year in seminary and one of the daughters has just entered the postulancy with the Nashville Dominicans a little over a week ago. Two of the younger daughters plays organ for Church and a few others sing for the Schola. In addition to this family, there are several others who do their best to live their lives in accordance to the precepts of the Church. I am very blessed to know all of them.
 
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