How Many Here Would Attend The Traditional Latin Mass If It Were Available ?

[JMJ_coder]

There are four Eucharistic Prayers in the OF. Maybe your parish priest says a consistent OF but from my experience and exchanges via forums like this it is certain many take liberties.

There’s actually more than 4 (I think 6 or 7), but only 3 commonly used. So what? Let’s look at other apostolic Churches. The Byzantine Rite has 2 anaphoras, the Coptics have 3, the Ethiopians have 14, and the Maronites have 72.

 

[ProVobis]

sorry no i and my children would not attend due to the fact we do not understand latin. my children said they would NPOT attend catholic mass in latin because it is NOT in english they said you might as well be in any forign country of the world as they have NO idea what the priest is saying . several times as i grew up when it was in latin I saw several young people walk out of the church because they dont understand the language and poor families cannot afford to go to school to learn latin.

CouldyoudousafavorandpleaseatleastwriteinEnglish?

 

[Ockham]

Fluent, not necessarily. But yes, it is stupid and foolhardy to go to a land where you cannot communicate with anyone.

Really? Tell that to the travel industry.

 

[Ockham]

Whatever.

Typical.

 

[CDNowak]

its not suppressed
its just not the norm
why would the extraordinary form be celebrated more than the ordinary form?

I’m not even (at this point) asking for parity. I’m asking one regularly scheduled Sunday Mass per deanery (given that ~11% of Catholics would regularly attend and only ~36% attend overall, this is not even parity with respect to demand).

As a matter of recent history, though,: Practically speaking the 1962 Missal was suppressed in most dioceses (that is, it was not permitted, despite Papal requests that it be made available in response to requests of the faithful). Summorum Pontificum is an **extremely **heavy handed step, forced by the situation. Most Catholics today have, at best, a distant memory of the EF, but demand (particularly among those who attend Mass weekly) is still high.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Really? Tell that to the travel industry.

There’s a reason that airport bookstores and travel agencies are full of language aids.

 

[ProVobis]

Really? Tell that to the travel industry.

Or to the US Army.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Or to the US Army.

I think when you carry an M16 or a grenade launcher they’ll let you get away with pretty much anything.

 

[Ockham]

There’s actually more than 4 (I think 6 or 7), but only 3 commonly used. So what? Let’s look at other apostolic Churches. The Byzantine Rite has 2 anaphoras, the Coptics have 3, the Ethiopians have 14, and the Maronites have 72.

When you attend the EF you know in advance exactly what prayers will be said. If you want to participate fully then the EF gives you the best opportunity. There are also more prayers, richer than the ‘simplified’ OF. Compare the Lavabo if you please.

 

[Ockham]

There’s a reason that airport bookstores and travel agencies are full of language aids.

Yes! Because people travel to countries whose language is foreeign to them.

Latin is the official language of the Church. It should be a privlidge and benefit to be able to travel anywhere in the world and be at home in the liturgy. One Holy Catholic Apostolic. Only one form of the Mass bears these marks.

 

[roadsend]

How is it not charitable? It is a fact that a good many persons prayed the Rosary during the Mass and doing so makes it hard to read a Missal. Therefore, putting two and two together, the historical fact negates the claim that everyone was following along in their Missals all the time.

There is nothing wrong with praying the Rosary, it is a superb devotion and I recommend everyone to pray the Rosary everyday. But, when we go to Mass we are there to participate in the Liturgy and not to pray the Rosary (though doing so before or after Mass would be laudable).

Uh, I see folks praying the rosary every week at Mass (OF).
They especially pray the rosary when the “music group” is singing.

 

[JMJ_coder]

When you attend the EF you know in advance exactly what prayers will be said. If you want to participate fully then the EF gives you the best opportunity. There are also more prayers, richer than the ‘simplified’ OF. Compare the Lavabo if you please.

So are you now claiming that the Eastern Rites, some of which are considerably older than the EF are also not as good because they have multiple forms?

 

[Ockham]

Or to the US Army.

God Bless the US Army. Without it we’d wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Uh, I see folks praying the rosary every week at Mass (OF).
They especially pray the rosary when the “music group” is singing.

The only person I’ve ever saw praying the Rosary at Mass was an elderly woman whom I assumed retained the habit from years ago – but it is still a no-no. We’re there to pray the Liturgy not the Rosary.

 

[Ockham]

So are you now claiming that the Eastern Rites, some of which are considerably older than the EF are also not as good because they have multiple forms?

I’m not informed sufficiently enough to discuss the Eastern Rites but I suspect their existence is commonly used as a red herring by modernist defending the NO. From what I understand they left the Church a thousand years ago. Why then do modernists use that departure as a trump card in debates like these?

 

[JMJ_coder]

I’m not informed sufficiently enough to discuss the Eastern Rites but I suspect their existence is commonly used as a red herring by modernist defending the NO. From what I understand they left the Church a thousand years ago. Why then do modernists use that departure as a trump card in debates like these?

Um, no. Certainly there are Orthodox Churches, but they all have their Eastern Catholic counterparts that are still in full communion with Rome.

You claimed that multiple anaphoras are a defect of the OF of the Mass. I respond that the Eastern CATHOLIC Churches have for well over a thousand years had multiple anaphoras (some many, many more than currently the Roman Rite has).

 

[JMJ_coder]

Again, no ones answered how many (or few) are in foreign lands at any given time?

 

[CDNowak]

So are you now claiming that the Eastern Rites, some of which are considerably older than the EF are also not as good because they have multiple forms?

I know that with the Byzantine Rite the Divine Liturgy of St Basil is said on certain days, and the Divine Liturgy of St John Chrysostom is used otherwise. This is hardly the situation with options in the OF. (Not to mention that they date back as least as far as the oldest portions of the EF.)

 

[Ockham]

Again, no ones answered how many (or few) are in foreign lands at any given time?

Seriously? Are you so limited in your perspective that you can only imagine local travels?

Again I will point out that I’m not informed enough to discuss the Eastern Rites. Are you?

 

[JMJ_coder]

Seriously? Are you so limited in your perspective that you can only imagine local travels?

If the point being made is that so many are abroad that there must be a unified language for their benefit, I think it is proper to inquire just how many are in such a situation of being in a foreign land and complete incompetent in the native language at any given time.