How many of you like Dawkins

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Compare and contrast:
First, Hitler was NOT a “Catholic”. Call him an “apostate Catholic” or a “fallen-away Catholic” if you must - but in no way did Hitler follow Catholic/Christian teachings. In fact, he persecuted the Church ruthlessly, and even drew up plans to invade the Vatican and kidnap the Pope.
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This is the No True Scottsman fallacy. Yoo, hoo, calling BacaRanch.
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Nazi belt buckles have the inscription “Gott mit uns” on them. Ask any German that lived in Nazi Germany if they considered themselves Christians. Most did. I guess they weren’t 'True" Christians either.
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History allows us to compare Birdstrike’s assertion against reality. We have evidence of the genocide and many historical documents containing Christian teaching. Those documents clearly teach against Hitler’s actions. +1 to Birdstrike.

Compare with MzAnnThorpe’s quote. Do you have a census study on the religious beliefs of Nazi Germans? Or could there be other factors at play there such as deception by a leader who *seemed *Christian at first and misled people, coersion, etc. Sociologically the beliefs apparently held by a group can be very different from the beliefs held in secret, especially under a regeme such as Hitler’s.
 
Oh, and “hate” by the way, is coming onto a Catholic forum and spewing lies - the “Hitler was a Catholic” thing is one of the most notorious. Yes, it’s “retarded”, as it’s ridiculous on its face. You both obviously have the intelligence to know better. I think.
 
Birdstrike said:
MzAnnThrope:

Human rights come “from law”?

What does that mean? Blacks wouldn’t have any rights if we voted them away?

You must disagree with the principles of the Declaration of Independence, of course. . .
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More unfounded assertions. That’s not argument, that’s evasion.

Rights are defined, established and enforced by law. You know, as in “Of the people, For the people, By the people.”

Paul says women are to be silent and not to instruct men but to take instruction from their husbands, and yet SECULAR law has established, and enforces a woman’s RIGHT to be a teacher and a CEO.
 
Well, he considered himself one at any rate. 🤷 I don’t care if he was Catholic, atheist, Buddhist or Neptunian - he was crazy and evil, and there’s enough shame to go around for the entire human species.

So, let’s drop all the Godwin nonsense, shall we?
 
Law/ the natual law is too broad a debate for this thread, IMO. Interesting topic though.
 
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Oh, and “hate” by the way, is coming onto a Catholic forum and spewing lies - the “Hitler was a Catholic” thing is one of the most notorious. Yes, it’s “retarded”, as it’s ridiculous on its face. You both obviously have the intelligence to know better. I think.
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It’s not a lie. Hitler was raised Catholic. According to the Catholic Church, once properly baptized–You know, with blessed water and the words “I baptize thee in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”–one remains Catholic. This possessiveness extends even unto those baptized into Protestant faiths. Did you not pay attention in RE?

“We accept one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” Ring a bell?
 
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Dawkins calls HIMSELF an “evolutionist”, ladies. . .

Lots of bandwidth wasted here - and nobody answered the question (or refute any of my points, for that matter):

Do “inviolable rights” really come from civil law?
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There is no such thing as inviolable right.

I’d like to see a link to an instance where Richard Dawkins calls himself an evolutionist.

What question has not been answered?
 
MzAnnThrope:

Dawkins says this in an interview. I’ll try to find it.

You’ve answered the question. There are no “inviolable” rights to you. All “rights” - indeed, all meaning, all love, all justice - mere figments of the human imagination.

Yet you somehow think that you can come here and “moralize” with us! :confused:
 
Here’s a question for you:

“If everyone - you, me, even the Nazis - EVERYONE, believed that what the Nazis did in WWII was moral, would it be moral?”
 
Mr. Dawkins, and i am not afraid to say this, is a Retard. He sounds like a the typical little nerdy kid in science class who does not have a clue. Doesn’t know how to wash him self. how to feed him self. Needs mommy and Daddy to take care of him. I wonder if he knows that if survival of the fittest and evolution is true, he would be the first to die.

He just seems so full of himself and “wise” and all knowing and well you know, it turns out everything i have read form him or seen from him, shows he does not know Jack! Some one said he has a nice speaking voice. He sounds like a little cacaroach, I just want to step on him and hear him squeak.

Mr. Dawkins, is like a modern Day Pharasie. Knows the truth and instead leans on his own understandings and he has traded his heart for lie. He in all the meaning of the term is a Mormon…I mean Moron. ( well pretty much the same thing.)
 
It is very hard to answer that question meaningfully. In this universe, I would say ‘of course not!’ and hope you would too. But in that hypothetical universe where everyone, including me, believed so, Nepenthe-prime would have to answer ‘yes’ and so would Birdstrike-prime and Valke2-prime (if he somehow survived) and everyone else there. Maybe it wouldn’t be moral, but we wouldn’t be ABLE to think otherwise.

Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
 
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Compare and contrast:

History allows us to compare Birdstrike’s assertion against reality. We have evidence of the genocide and many historical documents containing Christian teaching. Those documents clearly teach against Hitler’s actions. +1 to Birdstrike.

Compare with MzAnnThorpe’s quote. Do you have a census study on the religious beliefs of Nazi Germans? Or could there be other factors at play there such as deception by a leader who *seemed *Christian at first and misled people, coersion, etc. Sociologically the beliefs apparently held by a group can be very different from the beliefs held in secret, especially under a regeme such as Hitler’s.
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Information can be found here.

Religion in Nazi Germany

Religion in Nazi Germany
 
Let’s be clear - it is NOT Christian to hate, even Rev. Dawkins. Indeed, we are commanded to pray for him. In the end, we have no idea what is going on in his head, and why he does the things that he does.

But he is a mouthpiece for an extremely dangerous agenda, which seeks to destroy the very foundations of Western Civilization. The criticisms of him are correct - he spreads lies and hate-propaganda, and he is an embarrassment to genuine science.
 
Wikipedia?!

Is THAT where you get your information?!

ANYONE can right for wikipedia !!! 😃
 
Birdstrike said:
MzAnnThrope:

Dawkins says this in an interview. I’ll try to find it.

You’ve answered the question. There are no “inviolable” rights to you. All “rights” - indeed, all meaning, all love, all justice - mere figments of the human imagination.

Yet you somehow think that you can come here and “moralize” with us! :confused:
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That is very clearly NOT what I said. what I did say was that rights were defined, established and enforced by law. Nowhere did I use terms such as “figments o imagination”. That is very, very dishonest of you.

As far as whether I “think I can come here”, seems to me membership is open to me and unless I break some rule, membership will remain open to me. Is it your preference to shut down and shut out all opinions that differ from your own?
 
MzAnnThrope:

You make my point here! Stop getting your information from COOKED sources!!

Wikipedia is NOT an academic source! Haven’t you heard of the scandals about P.O.V. warfare on Wikipedia? Do you have any idea how wikipedia works?
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MzAnnThrope said:
Human rights come from law.
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I would suggest that Human Rights are recognized and protected through law. However, Human Rights are based upon intrinsic gifts from God that mandates our recognition of Human Dignity. We are made in the image and likeness of God, which is a gift, and consequently mandates that Human Dignity should be recognized and protect through the law under the heading of Human Rights. The law is a vehicle by which we protect many of our God given rights, including Human Rights.
 
MzAnn:

Nepenthe took a valiant shot at it - how about you?!:

“If everyone in the world - you, me, even the Jews - EVERYONE, agreed that what the Nazis did in WWII was moral, would it be moral?”
 
Birdstrike said:
Let’s be clear - it is NOT Christian to hate, even Rev. Dawkins. Indeed, we are commanded to pray for him. In the end, we have no idea what is going on in his head, and why he does the things that he does.

But he is a mouthpiece for an extremely dangerous agenda, which seeks to destroy the very foundations of Western Civilization. The criticisms of him are correct - he spreads lies and hate-propaganda, and he is an embarrassment to genuine science.
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I agree. We need to pray for Dawkins and all Atheist that they will find the truth. Moreover, the truth is Jesus himself.
 
I would like to add another thing aobut Mr. Dawkins. The bible says Only the Fool says there is no God.

Mr. Dawkins=Fool
 
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