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The albigensian crusade is not technically an inquisition.

and from my knowledge the number 3000 - 5000 is fairly accurate. for the inquisitions ordained by the Universal Church.
 
Another result from the third lie (Lies, damn lies, and statistics)

Under Mary, her 5.3 year reign had an average of 53 Protestants killed per year.

Under Elizabeth, her 44.4 year reign had an average of 18 Catholics killed per year.

This shows that Mary, given her short reign, couldn’t be expected to kill as many as Elizabeth. She simply didn’t have the time. If she had had the 44.4 years that Elizabeth had, she could have done away with 2,307 Protestants. That would take care of all the bishops, and most or all of the clergy.

So give old Queen Bloody Mary a break. 😃

Ecumenical relations weren’t the same back then.
While skimming through this thread, I couldn’t help but to notice this stab at justifying or helping one’s self to feel better about history.

One point that I hadn’t read yet, is the apology of Pope John Paul II for the atrocities perpetrated by the Roman Catholic Church in these times. Has any such statement been made by the leader or leaders of any of the other denomination who are guilty of murder just like our Church? No, I didn’t think so.

I may find it as I continue through these posts, if I have spoken to soon I apologize as my past shepherd has demonstrated.
 
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Matt, what you should be applauding is the fact that the Roman Catholic Church is the only body involved in any of these horrific times has officially, as a body, apologized. Now let’s move towards reconciliation.

We can work towards inviting people home or continue to agree with those who work against unity, it’s your choice.🙂
 
I went looking for similar data and found some surprising facts. The greatest act of genocide in history in sheer nubers may have been carried out by Belgium in it’s ruthless exploitation of the Congo. Source - Wikipedia - 8 to 10 million deaths.

Hitler of course was around 6 million, although I think it was closer to 12 million deaths, if one counts Slavic victims.

Atlantic slave trade mostly destined for the Americas, including Protestant USA - 5 to 10 million deaths.

European colonisation of the Americas, including Protestant USA - at least 2 million natives killed or died for various reasons.

French Wars of Religion - outgrowth of the Reformation - 2 to 4 million people killed or died as a result of war.

Reformation in Germany - Quoted from Wikipedia - From 1618 to 1648 the Thirty Years’ War ravaged in the Holy Roman Empire. The causes were the conflicts between Catholics and Protestants, the efforts by the various states within the Empire to increase their power and the Emperor’s attempt to achieve the religious and political unity of the Empire. The immediate occasion for the war was the uprising of the Protestant nobility of Bohemia against the emperor (Defenestration of Prague), but the conflict was widened into a European War by the intervention of King Christian IV of Denmark (1625-29), Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden (1630-48) and France under Cardinal Richelieu, the regent of the young Louis XIV (1635-48). Germany became the main theatre of war and the scene of the final conflict between France and the Habsburgs for predominance in Europe. The war resulted in large areas of Germany being laid waste, a loss of approximately a third of its population, and in a general impoverishment.

William Shirer in his “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” claimed the population of Germany declined from sixteen to six million and that there was a horrible torpor in the land for centuries. He commented, and he was himself a Protestant, that if he had to nominate an “evil genius” responsible for creating the state of mind which Hitler was later able to exploit, he would have to choose Martin Luther.

The Crusades - estimated death toll for all parties was around a million. Hence the Reformation was more violent in terms of deaths than the Crusades, easily.

Peasant’s War in Germany - In 1524 the Peasants’ War broke out in Swabia, Franconia and Thuringia against ruling princes and lords, following the preachings of Reformist priests. But the revolts, which were assisted by war-experienced noblemen like Götz von Berlichingen and Florian Geyer (in Franconia), and by the theologian Thomas Münzer (in Thuringia), were soon repressed by the territorial princes. It is estimated that as many as 100,000 German peasants were massacred during the revolt,[45] usually after the battles had ended.[46]

The Inquistion may have killed around 3000 people over a few hundred years. Compared to the above tallies, often carried out deliberately or inadvertently by Protestant parties as much as Catholic, it almost pales into insignificance. That doesn’t excuse the methods used by the Inquisition.

But then our atheist society of today is genially indulging in a holocaust of aborted children, with the USA alone accounting for around 800,000 each year. My own nation, Australia, has probably a similar average on a population basis. Around the world it adds up to millions. The difference is that we can’t see the unborn torn to pieces, or the scissors pushed into their brains to kill them, and they can’t protest, unlike those who think it’s a “woman’s right”.

The same nations which once went to war to put an end to Nazism are now killing an even greater number of their own people before they’ve even had a chance to live as full human beings.

We can’t keep doing that and expect God not to notice, and finally act. When He does do so, He’ll be absolutely ruthless. He’ll treat us with just the same lack of compassion we’ve demonstated to the unborn. The grim imagery in Revelation, and the dire warnings of Mary at Fatima in 1917 (which heralded the Russian Revolution almost immediately and World War II 22 years later) and Akita in Japan (1973) aren’t there for no reason.
took three pages of posts to get some answers in numbers

we can read them and think for ourselves about what they mean

obviously estimates vary

and the original post was not about “who’s the worst”. That’s a kind of silly debate among adults.
 
How can you compare what an atheist did to what people who represented the church did?
Those going to their death don’t really care about the faith of those killing them. But some historical understanding of actual numbers is important. Truth is good, even empirical truth.
 
While skimming through this thread, I couldn’t help but to notice this stab at justifying or helping one’s self to feel better about history.

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There was nothing wrong with the Holy Inquisition and it was a good thing.
 
I’ve been in CAF for quite a while now and clapping one’s hands with a hearty “bravo” for the inquisition is a new one…kind of reminds me of the Waffen SS with a heart-felt “Hail the Fuhrer!” in Poland at a death camp. Pitiful. I don’t think John Paul II, Benedict, or any Catholic bishop or priest would agree with that post in any circumstances… it was a sad affair.

Most religions lament their dark pasts. Lutherans don’t celebrate the Peasant’s War, Anglicans don’t celebrate and laud the drawing and quartering of priests or beheading of Henry’s wives, and Calvinists don’t have hang 'em high in Geneva fests…🤷
Unless you were Jewish or had the audacity to disagree with the Pope. In which case, not so much.
 
There was nothing wrong with the Holy Inquisition and it was a good thing.
Yeah…I suppose…if killing other Christians for Jesus is a good thing.

Now I happen to think that killing for Christ is something that maybe is just a little bit over the top. But that is probably just me.
 
Yeah…I suppose…if killing other Christians for Jesus is a good thing.

Now I happen to think that killing for Christ is something that maybe is just a little bit over the top. But that is probably just me.
Us and our silly Protestant fallible interpretations, Amateur!
 
It’s not a matter of denying Catholics in authority do anything wrong, be they the Vatican or the Spanish King and Queen of post Islamic Spain.

It’s a matter of being balanced and looking at the events objectively.

The Inquisition is a bye word for religious (and specifically Catholic) injustice, torture and brutality.

“The Peasants War”, “King Henry the 8th”, or Commmunism in general is not a byeword of any description for any of those things even though many, many, many, many etc more deaths eventuated.

What is the point is that the Inquisition is being misrepresented to create an unbalanced view of Catholicism.

As the facts show, it was run by the state Spanish authorities who put pressure on the Church to allow it in the first place and who then ignored Church moves to oppose it when certain areas of Spain on occasion, used undue brutality.

The penal death toll was 1 convict per month which is slightly less than the rate for the state of Texas’ over the last 30 years or so.

I don’t hear anyone using the Texas legal system as byewords for injustice.

They don’t because it would be stupid, as is the unbalanced portrayal of The Spanish Inquisition of centuries ago.

It’s like 500 years fom now people looking back and arguing Guantanamo Bay and that brutal Texas state represents what happens when you have the philosophy of a secular government.

It’s absurd. Please grow up.
 
I’ve been in CAF for quite a while now and clapping one’s hands with a hearty “bravo” for the inquisition is a new one…kind of reminds me of the Waffen SS with a heart-felt “Hail the Fuhrer!” in Poland at a death camp. Pitiful. I don’t think John Paul II, Benedict, or any Catholic bishop or priest would agree with that post in any circumstances… it was a sad affair.
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Pope Gergory IX, Paul II, Innocent IV, Urban IV, Clement IV, Clement V, Boniface VIII, etc. etc. etc. supported the Holy Inquisition.
 
The Holy Inquisition was no Holocaust.
Here are some of the Holy instruments of torture used during the Holy Inquisition.

More Holy instruments of torture used during the Holy Inquisition.

More Holy instruments of torture.

And more Holy instruments of torture.

And more Holy instruments of torture.

Honestly people, where do you get these nut cases who defend the inquisition as “Holy”!

My suggestion to your moderators is that there be strict regulations that prohibit these types from posting in this area where us heretics might actually think they accurately portray your faith. We might (arggh) actually take these types seriously, and that would be a shame.
 
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