How many women here wear a headcovering to Novus Ordo Mass?

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airforcemom said:
I wear a Jewish headcovering from head-coverings by Devorah.com

Very simple and easy to wear - people notice it but I don’t stand out as I would with a hat or mantilla on. I have a white beaded one for summer and a black beaded one for winter. I’m back at the church I attended before Katrina and the only other lady to cover her head has returned to the area and she is in her late 80s (might even be in early 90s). I have never seen her in church without her head covered even when she was cleaning it - she was a member of the altar society that cleaned and took care of the church every week.
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Airforcemom, welcome home!:extrahappy: My cousin is back in St. Bernard too. You keep right on wearin’ that head covering. And remember the sight of Apb. Hughes processing down Canal St. with the Blessed Sacrament on Corpus Christi this summer. We survived Betsy and we’ll survive Katrina! God bless!
 
Sometimes I wear a headcovering to the NO Mass and sometimes I don’t. It’s not a big deal if someone does at my parish church – there are a couple of families where Mama and all of the daughters cover their heads, and there are a few older ladies who wear mantillas, but they go to the Sunday morning Masses. Hardly anyone covers their head at the Vigil Mass or the Sunday evening Mass, though. Since those are the Masses I almost always attend, in order to avoid being conspicuous I will take a scarf, fold it into a wide headband, and tie it around my hair. Then it becomes a truly* personal* devotion – and it stays on my fine, straight, silky hair much easier than a lace mantilla.
 
beckers said:
. We are trying to submit ourselves to God. Instead we get called names and demeaned by our own catholics. Why such angry and resentment? We don’t force it on anyone nor do we judge those who don’t wear them. We understand that to wear a covering is a calling and not something to be takenlightly. To wear a covering effects your whole person.
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Is there an implicit judgement on those who do not wear them? Are those called to wear them somehow holier than those who don’t?
beckers said:
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What i don’t understand is that for a first communion and wedding women will wear a veil when they receieve the Lord? Well why only those two days? Every time you go to mass your particapting in a wedding feast and you in Jesus’s physically presence. Shouldn’t you wear a veil for him just as you would wear a veil in front of the Pope? I just don’t understand some people’s thought processes.
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Weddings and First Holy Communion are Costumes. You don’t wear your FHC dress to mass every Sunday, neither do you wear your wedding dress. And NOBODY wears their bridesmaids dresses after the wedding.
beckers said:
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I honestly believe that those who say the would be distracted by a covering would be distracted by anything. I would rather see a church with covered women who dress modestly then see the jeans, tank tops, short skirts, and the “look at me i am barely wearing any clothing” looks that we see right now.
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This is not an either or situation. One could wear a head covering with a tank top.🙂
 
Nobody seems to pay much attention in my church as to who wears a hat or headcovering, and I don’t really pay attention either, except for one thing…those women who wear BIG hats (which are quite in style among some of the younger fashionable set these days). The problem is, if I am sitting behind a BIG hat, I can’t see what’s going on at the altar. So if you want to wear a hat, please make it small.🙂

I don’t wear any headcovering, I don’t like anything on my head, and unless it is near zero, there is nothing on my head except for my very thick hair. I grew up in the 50’s and wore a hat or Mantilla then, and I was quite happy to dispense with it. It never made a difference in my spiritual life. However, I think that if you want to wear a headcovering, you should be able to without others looking at you as if you’re weird, and making comments. Your spirituality is your business, not mine.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Weddings and First Holy Communion are Costumes. You don’t wear your FHC dress to mass every Sunday, neither do you wear your wedding dress. And NOBODY wears their bridesmaids dresses after the wedding.
This is not an either or situation. One could wear a head covering with a tank top.🙂
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While reading this thread I keep getting images of one character from “Keeping Up Appearances” - Rose in her religious mood: black veil & ultra mini skirt.
 
Is there an implicit judgement on those who do not wear them? Are those called to wear them somehow holier than those who don’t?
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Who knows who is holier than another? It's not a contest about who gets to sit next to Jesus in heaven. Is someone who prays the rosary before Mass holier than someone who doesn't? Is someone who goes to daily Mass and Holy Communion holier than someone who goes to only Sunday Mass. Who knows, but God. People can drive themselves crazy thinking someone may be holier than them by how they dress or act. We are all called to be Holy as our heavenly Father is Holy. We all need to do the Will of God. People who go to frequent Confession and daily Eucharist are probably generally holier than those who don't. It makes me happy to see people behaving in a holy way. Do they know they are holy? Do they know they are in the state of Sanctifying Grace? I hope so, or they need to go to Confession. We are all sinners, so how holy a person is can change at any time. We can't read their hearts, only God can. Can a person who wears a chapel veil be holier than one who doesn't. It could be. But, only God knows their hearts. We are all sinners at times even those who wear a veil. That's what frequent Confession is for. I want the grace from God to be as Holy as I can be. That's what I pray for.
 
Cathryn said:
Who knows who is holier than another? It’s not a contest about who gets to sit next to Jesus in heaven. Is someone who prays the rosary before Mass holier than someone who doesn’t? Is someone who goes to daily Mass and Holy Communion holier than someone who goes to only Sunday Mass. Who knows, but God. People can drive themselves crazy thinking someone may be holier than them by how they dress or act. We are all called to be Holy as our heavenly Father is Holy. We all need to do the Will of God. People who go to frequent Confession and daily Eucharist are probably generally holier than those who don’t. It makes me happy to see people behaving in a holy way. Do they know they are holy? Do they know they are in the state of Sanctifying Grace? I hope so, or they need to go to Confession. We are all sinners, so how holy a person is can change at any time. We can’t read their hearts, only God can. Can a person who wears a chapel veil be holier than one who doesn’t. It could be. But, only God knows their hearts. We are all sinners at times even those who wear a veil. That’s what frequent Confession is for. I want the grace from God to be as Holy as I can be. That’s what I pray for.
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Well said, Cathryn!
 
I ordered this one called Adah 3 for NO and wear my regular black chapel veil for the traditional latin Mass. The folks in my parish don’t seem to mind those of us who wear headcoverings.
 
beckers said:
We are trying to submit ourselves to God. Instead we get called names and demeaned by our own catholics. We understand that to wear a covering is a calling and not something to be takenlightly. To wear a covering effects your whole person.

What i don’t understand is that for a first communion and wedding women will wear a veil when they receieve the Lord? Well why only those two days? Every time you go to mass your particapting in a wedding feast and you in Jesus’s physically presence. Shouldn’t you wear a veil for him just as you would wear a veil in front of the Pope? I just don’t understand some people’s thought processes.

I honestly believe that those who say the would be distracted by a covering would be distracted by anything. I would rather see a church with covered women who dress modestly then see the jeans, tank tops, short skirts, and the “look at me i am barely wearing any clothing” looks that we see right now.
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qui_est_ce said:
Is there an implicit judgement on those who do not wear them? Are those called to wear them somehow holier than those who don’t?
Weddings and First Holy Communion are Costumes. You don’t wear your FHC dress to mass every Sunday, neither do you wear your wedding dress. And NOBODY wears their bridesmaids dresses after the wedding.
This is not an either or situation. One could wear a head covering with a tank top.🙂
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Cathryn said:
Who knows who is holier than another? It’s not a contest about who gets to sit next to Jesus in heaven. We all need to do the Will of God. People who go to frequent Confession and daily Eucharist are probably generally holier than those who don’t. We are all sinners, so how holy a person is can change at any time. We can’t read their hearts, only God can. Can a person who wears a chapel veil be holier than one who doesn’t. It could be. But, only God knows their hearts. We are all sinners at times even those who wear a veil. That’s what frequent Confession is for. I want the grace from God to be as Holy as I can be. That’s what I pray for.
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What I see here is that women want to be pious, and are called by God to wear a chapel veil, genuflect before receiving, and then saying they are getting condemning stares and accusations of distracting others.

Do you people honestly think chapel veils are relevent? Daily mass, monthly confessions, Eucharist Adoration mean more to God than what you have on your head. BTW, I haven’t seen mentioned what color chapel veil is appropriate for which occasion. Is it ok to wear black on Sundays, or must they be white? Pink Kleenex’s were definately faux pas.

Signed by some one who has been there, done that, and am sorry it’s such a big issue to make a statement about themselves at mass. And honestly, you are making spectacles of yourselves. My 85 year old mother, French, had some of the most beautiful mantilla’s. She does not wear them now. She does not want to draw attention to herself.

So if you really think that wearing a covering on your head is pleasing to God, do it in public as well, so that you are at least witnessing to secular society, instead of only at mass, where you can feel morally superior to those who don’t wear them.
 
qui_est_ce said:
What I see here is that women want to be pious, and are called by God to wear a chapel veil, genuflect before receiving, and then saying they are getting condemning stares and accusations of distracting others.

Do you people honestly think chapel veils are relevent? Daily mass, monthly confessions, Eucharist Adoration mean more to God than what you have on your head. BTW, I haven’t seen mentioned what color chapel veil is appropriate for which occasion. Is it ok to wear black on Sundays, or must they be white? Pink Kleenex’s were definately faux pas.

Signed by some one who has been there, done that, and am sorry it’s such a big issue to make a statement about themselves at mass. And honestly, you are making spectacles of yourselves. My 85 year old mother, French, had some of the most beautiful mantilla’s. She does not wear them now. She does not want to draw attention to herself.

So if you really think that wearing a covering on your head is pleasing to God, do it in public as well, so that you are at least witnessing to secular society, instead of only at mass, where you can feel morally superior to those who don’t wear them.
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My fellow parishoners and Pastor have been very supportive as I have stated in my other posts. I don’t wear it to witness to anyone. I wear it for God alone and only God can read our hearts. I wish you the peace of Christ.
 
AS pointed out by another - only God reads our hearts.

That is the biggest reason, for me, not to be bothered wearing a headcovering.
 
qui_est_ce said:
What I see here is that women want to be pious, and are called by God to wear a chapel veil, genuflect before receiving, and then saying they are getting condemning stares and accusations of distracting others.

Do you people honestly think chapel veils are relevent? Daily mass, monthly confessions, Eucharist Adoration mean more to God than what you have on your head. BTW, I haven’t seen mentioned what color chapel veil is appropriate for which occasion. Is it ok to wear black on Sundays, or must they be white? Pink Kleenex’s were definately faux pas.

Signed by some one who has been there, done that, and am sorry it’s such a big issue to make a statement about themselves at mass. And honestly, you are making spectacles of yourselves. My 85 year old mother, French, had some of the most beautiful mantilla’s. She does not wear them now. She does not want to draw attention to herself.

So if you really think that wearing a covering on your head is pleasing to God, do it in public as well, so that you are at least witnessing to secular society, instead of only at mass, where you can feel morally superior to those who don’t wear them.
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:eek: do you really think this way? 😦

I came to wearing a headcovering only recently because I was afraid of people with attitude like the one you have expressed.

It kept coming to me in Adoration that this was what God wanted from me–to wear a headcovering in his presence. As a matter of obedience, I started wearing one.

I do not think I am superior by wearing a headcovering. In fact, I know of many other women who do** not** wear headcoverings who are much more prayerful, devout, and virtuous than I am. For me, it is a reminder, a mortification, an act of obedience (to an interior urge), and a physical statement of my feminity.

There was a thread on the spiritual benefits of wearing a headcovering several weeks ago that I thought was very nice and supportive

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=108522&highlight=veils
 
qui_est_ce said:
Is there an implicit judgement on those who do not wear them? Are those called to wear them somehow holier than those who don’t?
Weddings and First Holy Communion are Costumes. You don’t wear your FHC dress to mass every Sunday, neither do you wear your wedding dress. And NOBODY wears their bridesmaids dresses after the wedding.
This is not an either or situation. One could wear a head covering with a tank top.🙂
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ARGH!!! These threads make me so frustrated. I have no idea why i get involved in them.

I think you missed my point of the symbolism. We make a big deal about the veils for those special days so why not every mass? I mean every mass is a wedding feast and you should dress appropriately. What about Nuns and Priest should we ask them to stop wearing their collars and habits? I’ve heard of Nuns who love their habits because they get to wear their wedding dress every day. Are they considered costumes then or do you think there could just possible be some symbolism/correlation to what we wear in our lives and how it effects our faith? Also if you want to get technological all clothing can be seen as costumes so then we should all just go naked in front of our lord. After all that is how he made and saw Adam and Eve.

Yes you could wear a covering with a tank top but that would defeat the purpose of the covering. When you wear a covering it’s something that should effect your whole life. It should not only be an outside veil but a veil upon your heart. Wearing a covering while wearing something immodesty is opposite of what you should do. Yes you “can” wear it but you “shouldn’t” wear it. I know in my case it has caused me to clean my closet and buy more modest clothing. I realized I was flaunting my body and that is not what God is calling me to do as a women. As we don’t have thought or fashion police it is up to the individual person to realize the intention and ramification that wearing a covering means. If you want to do it because it looks cool or it’s in fashion or you want to prove your faith to others then your doing it for the wrong reason.

A covering is not a magically item and that if you wear it then you are holier than anyone else and therefore you are guaranteed a spot in heaven. It is just one step or one gesture in a long process of steps of letting go of ourselves and submitting to God and accepting his love, mercy and all the graces that he has given us in our lives. I am not out to prove my holiness to anyone. I am just trying my hardest to love my God. We should all be supportive of each other on our faith walk. There are enough road blocks or stones to stumble over on the journey that when we come to mass we should feel support, love and understand from our fellow Catholics instead of hate, distain and angry.
 
Interesting.

In this thread the thought keeps coming to my mind of being barefoot and bareheaded when I have gone to Eucharistic Adoration.

Maybe I am being called to be like a little child.
 
qui_est_ce said:
What I see here is that women want to be pious, and are called by God to wear a chapel veil, genuflect before receiving, and then saying they are getting condemning stares and accusations of distracting others.

Do you people honestly think chapel veils are relevent? Daily mass, monthly confessions, Eucharist Adoration mean more to God than what you have on your head. BTW, I haven’t seen mentioned what color chapel veil is appropriate for which occasion. Is it ok to wear black on Sundays, or must they be white? Pink Kleenex’s were definately faux pas.

Signed by some one who has been there, done that, and am sorry it’s such a big issue to make a statement about themselves at mass. And honestly, you are making spectacles of yourselves. My 85 year old mother, French, had some of the most beautiful mantilla’s. She does not wear them now. She does not want to draw attention to herself.

So if you really think that wearing a covering on your head is pleasing to God, do it in public as well, so that you are at least witnessing to secular society, instead of only at mass, where you can feel morally superior to those who don’t wear them.
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i am sorry you have such hatred and angry towards coverings. Due to your pink tissue comments it sounds like you grew up in the era of “we do certain things but have no idea why”. Your generation (right around Vatican II I assume) threw the baby out with the bathwater with reforms. My generation is trying to learn about the church and who she was and is now. We are like children and are going to try things and see how they fit into our lives and our faith journey. What worked or didn’t work for you may or may not work for us. Don’t rush to judgment and just assume that your correct in your assessment of other people’s faith journeys.

I don’t do it public because i am not submitting myself to societies views. I do it in Church when I am in the physical presence of the Lord because I am showing honor, respect and submittance to my Savior. If your mother has coverings and she wants to wear them then you support her. It’s not as bad as people make it out to seem. I don’t get weird stares from people. I think people think themselves out of wearing a covering because of the fear of being seen as different or as distracting when the truth is we are not anymore distracting then a baby, or the kids playing with their toys or the teenager playing with their shoes or the married couple that is holding hands. Mass is not a stagnant experience but instead is alive with the people who make up her body.
 
qui_est_ce said:
Do you people honestly think chapel veils are relevent? Daily mass, monthly confessions, Eucharist Adoration mean more to God than what you have on your head.
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What if…

I were the mother of a young man, just killed in Iraq.

And I see someone burning a flag. An American flag. And I get upset.

Would you ask me the same question? Would you ask me if the American Flag is relevent to show support for your country?

Some people view the veil is just a piece of cloth…well…so is an American Flag… how do you view the American Flag?
 
beckers said:
i am sorry you have such hatred and angry towards coverings. Due to your pink tissue comments it sounds like you grew up in the era of “we do certain things but have no idea why”. Your generation (right around Vatican II I assume) threw the baby out with the bathwater with reforms. You are so angry about my generation throwing out the baby with the bath water. So am I. I didn’t have any part of it, SOME priests and bishops ran off with it. I know exactly why we do things. I have always loved the mass, whether in Latin or in English.
beckers;3126080:
My generation is trying to learn about the church and who she was and is now. If you delve into what a lot of people did in those days, it was for looks. It wasn’t the Church, it was the generation, pilbox hats, Dior suits.
beckers;3126080:
Don’t rush to judgment and just assume that your correct in your assessment of other people’s faith journeys.
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My point is it’s just a head scarf, I don’t know why you attach so much meaning to it. I happen to remember the days when they were worn, and they made no statement whatsoever. To pick a head covering as a witness to Christ sounds absurd to me. And kleenex’s are valid head coverings.
beckers said:
I do it in Church when I am in the physical presence of the Lord because I am showing honor, respect and submittance to my Savior. If your mother has coverings and she wants to wear them then you support her. It’s not as bad as people make it out to seem.
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She doesn’t want to wear them, because she does not believe in drawing attention to herself. She also feels it is just a piece of cloth.
DJgang said:
What if…

I were the mother of a young man, just killed in Iraq.

And I see someone burning a flag. An American flag. And I get upset.

Would you ask me the same question? Would you ask me if the American Flag is relevent to show support for your country?

Some people view the veil is just a piece of cloth…well…so is an American Flag… how do you view the American Flag?
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There is not comparison between a chapel veil and what the American flag represents.
beckers said:
I think you missed my point of the symbolism. We make a big deal about the veils for those special days so why not every mass? I mean every mass is a wedding feast and you should dress appropriately. What about Nuns and Priest should we ask them to stop wearing their collars and habits? I’ve heard of Nuns who love their habits because they get to wear their wedding dress every day. Are they considered costumes then or do you think there could just possible be some
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I never said anything about nun’s habits being costumes, I said First Holy Communion dresses and wedding dresses are costumes to be worn for the day only. Do you wear you wedding dress to mass every Sunday? Having said that, I do wish nuns would go back to wearing the habit, but most of the nuns I knew were happy to get out of it. It was hot and confining
beckers said:
It is just one step or one gesture in a long process of steps of letting go of ourselves and submitting to God and accepting his love, mercy and all the graces that he has given us in our lives.
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I do not see any correlation between wearing a piece of cloth on your head submitting to God. You must dress respectfully and behave respectfully in His presence.

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