How Norway turns criminals into good neighbours

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If they were using prisons as part of the welfare state, there’d be an international outcry!
It is amazing that our nation could get social services or mental health care to people convicted of crimes faster than it does for people who are only guilty of being poor or from dysfunctional families. Still, I could see we might do it if it were to become to be seen as a matter of self-interest (which it also is).
 
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It is amazing that our nation could get social services or mental health care to people convicted of crimes faster than it does for people who are only guilty of being poor or from dysfunctional families.
Not really. People who have been arrested for crimes are conveniently located in concentrated locations where their lives can be carefully managed. The poor, on the other hand, are quite dispersed and have diverse lifestyles, making their problems much more complicated to address.

This is an easy rhetorical grenade to lob, but if you take a minute to think about actually running these programs in real life (which I’ve seen up-close, as my mother runs a charity for the homeless and my wife has helped to write public housing policy), the complexities of real life in a nation of more than 300 million people make it much more difficult in practice to help the poor than to help felons.
 
Not really. People who have been arrested for crimes are conveniently located in concentrated locations where their lives can be carefully managed. The poor, on the other hand, are quite dispersed and have diverse lifestyles, making their problems much more complicated to address.

This is an easy rhetorical grenade to lob, but if you take a minute to think about actually running these programs in real life (which I’ve seen up-close, as my mother runs a charity for the homeless and my wife has helped to write public housing policy), the complexities of real life in a nation of more than 300 million people make it much more difficult in practice to help the poor than to help felons.
True: there are a lot of practical difficulties, not the least of which is the freedom to be non-compliant when you haven’t done anything to harm anyone else.

I’m referring, however, to the difficulty that those who want help can have trying to get it. It has to be frustrating to have a harder time getting the help you need when you’ve been law-abiding compared to what you could get if you weren’t, true? You are right, however, that there are difficulties in helping people who aren’t confined and perhaps feel they have a lot more options than those who have hit the low point of finding themselves in prison with no way to fade out of notice.
 
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I’m referring, however, to the difficulty that those who want help can have trying to get it. It has to be frustrating to have a harder time getting the help you need when you’ve been law-abiding compared to what you could get if you weren’t, true? You are right, however, that there are difficulties in helping people who aren’t confined and perhaps feel they have a lot more options than those who have hit the low point of finding themselves in prison with no way to fade out of notice.
It’s definitely frustrating. Unfortunately, because these things are addressed so much in federal law now, the impossibility of a one-size-fits-all approach means that there’s always mountains of red tape to jump through. My mom doesn’t accept any government funding for her charity for this reason. The fact of the matter is that Glasgow, KY, has different problems and needs different solutions than downtown Baltimore. But because the feds control the flow of funding for antipoverty programs in the US, they have to jump through a million legal hoops to tailor their programs to their communities’ needs.
 
I would expect some differences between jail and prison.

Also the prison in the OP might be their best one, not for violent offenders.
 
I worked with US offenders for three decades. Many of them were sociopaths, who cannot be “rehabilitated” as they possess no conscience. How to rehabilitate what is essentially a human shark, who is concerned 100% with self? Unless convicted of multiple violent crimes, most were simply assigned light sentences and released to society. Thus, the increasing crime rates (in part).

20 years ago, Norway was an almost 100% homogeneous society. Not so today with the immigrant influx. Let’s see how that works out.
 
I worked with US offenders for three decades. Many of them were sociopaths, who cannot be “rehabilitated” as they possess no conscience. How to rehabilitate what is essentially a human shark, who is concerned 100% with self? Unless convicted of multiple violent crimes, most were simply assigned light sentences and released to society. Thus, the increasing crime rates (in part).

20 years ago, Norway was an almost 100% homogeneous society. Not so today with the immigrant influx. Let’s see how that works out.
The concerning thing was the observation by Martha Stout that while something like 40% of those in prison were sociopaths or psychopaths, up to 1 in 25 of the non-incarcerated population is somewhere on that scale. This is many times higher than the populations of countries that do not teach a “how would you feel if someone did that to you” moralty (instead of “your family will be shamed and no one will associate you if you do that” morality that enforces social consequences on offenders).

Compounding this is what addiction does to moral conscience. As alcoholic comedian Craig Ferguson quipped: an alcoholic will steal your purse and denying taking it, but a heroin addict will steal your purse and then help you look for it. If you started with a moral conscience, addiction will smother it.

If Martha Stout is anything close to correct, then there is no way to run a social program in the US without spending a huge amount of the total effort trying to frustrate those without a conscience who will try to steal from the system for self-advantage, and never feel a qualm about it.
 
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