how not to be poor

[royal_archer]

Incentives like that can be used to demand free labour from everyone. Fail to comply with the manager’s increasingly regular and/or unreasonable demands for unpaid hours and you’re either out the door, or you’ll go nowhere. There’s also the question of where should the line be drawn. For example if most employees were to routinely work unpaid from 5:30 till 7:00, then only those who stay till 8:00 will stand out for promotion.

and those who can find more reasonable hours at another company will quit.

 

[jmcrae]

and those who can find more reasonable hours at another company will quit.

What employer is going to pay full wages in a cultural environment where everyone else is getting 2 for 1?

 

[royal_archer]

Yeah, I have. And I’m not really all that worried about me. I’m thinking of the damage they’re doing to the country, and their lack of concern for the human element…

If you feel you would be such a better boss, then don’t you think you have an obligation to start a company and give those employees a better place to work?

In terms of administrative bull, companies produce enough of that on their own. They really can’t get mad at the government about that. Also no, the government hasn’t forced anyone overseas, the companies chose to go overseas, and want to go overseas. They’re the one fighting to keep the legislation in place to do it. So sorry they’re not victims here. The fact that child labor still exists and and injustice workers still exists doesn’t really help your argument. It means that despite the governments efforts companies will fight tooth and nail to do the wrong thing…

The child labor I was thinking of was when the government run schools who send kids out on the street to peddle magazines and other items to raise money for the schools

I think I’m blessed to have opportunities that others haven’t had…

Everyone has opportunities if they are willing to look for them.

That’s true I could work for less someplace else, but I have people I’m responsible for so I buck up and go for the money for their sake. It doesn’t mean I have to bury my head in the sand and ignore what’s around me though.

You have other options.

 

[royal_archer]

Maybe on TV. But in the real world extra hours are not optional. They’re minimum requirements for continued employment.

However, people with continued employment are usually not poor.

 

[royal_archer]

I think that maybe the current mercenary mentality of the work place has clouded your vision here. Leaving ones nation isn’t like buying a newspaper. People don’t leave their home casually. I live in the US and I love it here, but its not because I think we do everything the best. Its my home.

If your curious though, Ireland at least is a pretty good place to live. Moving there permanently wouldn’t impact my lifestyle any. I’d probably save more money there, but its not where my family is, its not where my friends are, and its not where my roots are.

If America is so bad then why are your family and friends not moving?

My ancestors did leave family, friends, everything to come here. not for freebees and handouts but for freedom. America was founded as a free country. you should be willing to accept that.

 

[royal_archer]

There will be some changes in West European countries for the worst of course . ( Thanks be to the certain bankers who originated the world economic crisis )

But , if there will be changes which will reflect on the health care and access to education , than - its a pitty .

The worst thing is that some very emotional nationalistic or '‘nazi’'parties are coming to the power.
And their target will be the most innocent people - the emigrants , the religious minorities , who already suffer very severy persecutions .
Mostly I mean the illegal emigrants who are out of the framework as a society.
The illigal emigrants , whose guilt is that they were born in poor countries and came to search for the better life in richer countries .
They are the por ones , who can not dream about education , health care , proper job , police protection.
Its a time like this , some one has to be guilty , and the guilty are the most innocent people , with the label of ‘‘terrorists’’ and ‘‘criminals’’.

If they are willing to contribute and stand on their own two feet, they are welcome in America just as my ancesors were.

 

[royal_archer]

What employer is going to pay full wages in a cultural environment where everyone else is getting 2 for 1?

all thos e companies who cause traffic jams when all of their workers hit the street 24.5 seconds after quitting time.

 

[cynic]

and those who can find more reasonable hours at another company will quit.

Or those conditions might become the standard expectation across an industry, part of a general work culture (think Japan). so it’s a choice between that or no job. I guess we’re not at that stage in the west because of the hangover from the labour movement plus enough lazy people with priorites outside of work.

 

[aspawloski4th]

With exception of the severly handicapped there is no reason anyone should not be able to pull themselves out of poverty here in a country where everyone gets a free education and the opportunity to serve their country if they do not get a job right off the bat.

The free education here is worthless. I was in both special and reguler ed and both Catholic and public schools. Reguler ed public schools are a waste of time with they way they currently teach.

 

[aspawloski4th]

all thos e companies who cause traffic jams when all of their workers hit the street 24.5 seconds after quitting time.

Is there something wrong with leaving a work when you are scheduled to be done for the day.

 

[rtconstant]

If you feel you would be such a better boss, then don’t you think you have an obligation to start a company and give those employees a better place to work?

An obligation? That’s an interesting leap. No, I don’t feel obligated to open a small business. Not sure why you think I would. I am looking at some options though.

The child labor I was thinking of was when the government run schools who send kids out on the street to peddle magazines and other items to raise money for the schools

LOL! Assuming that was meant seriously, are you truly comparing kids raising money for a school trip to 8 year olds working 16 hour shifts with heavy machinery for close to no pay?

Everyone has opportunities if they are willing to look for them.

I would only offer this suggestion, perhaps take a step back, and stop considering your good fortune as the deserved merit of your excellence and simply be thankful you’ve had the opportunities that you have had.

You have other options.

None of which really change anything that I’ve said.

 

[rtconstant]

If America is so bad then why are your family and friends not moving?

A rather emotional response. Also a straw man. I never said that America was bad, I have a problem with corporate culture. This is the problem with many people I see today, they equate America with the companies that come from it. The States are the States regardless of her corporations. Just because someone doesn’t think that Corporate America deserves unmitigated praise doesn’t mean they want to leave the country.

In addition, just because someone can acknowledge what’s good in other nations doesn’t mean they hate their own. It isn’t an either/or situation. Life in Europe is pretty good despite what neo-cons like the imagine. Life in the States is good despite what many left wingers like to imagine.

My ancestors did leave family, friends, everything to come here. not for freebees and handouts but for freedom. America was founded as a free country. you should be willing to accept that.

More emotion, and straw men. Who said anything about not wanting a free country? Once more, Corporations do not equal America. Understand that. In addition, you need to understand that the countries our ancestors came from have grown and changed just like the States. You may not know this but the Streets of Western Europe are now no more clogged with starving waifs than the US. Also the potato famine is now over.

In addition many people did come to America for freebies and handouts. They came for free land. They just had to show up and claim it. Doesn’t mean your ancestors did, but really lets keep things in perspective.

 

[jmcrae]

My ancestors did leave family, friends, everything to come here. not for freebees and handouts …

Really? Because my ancestors certainly came for the freebies - land in Scotland was out of their reach, financially speaking - if they had remained in Scotland, they would have been renting for the rest of their lives. Coming to Canada meant becoming land-owners for 10 cents an acre, and eating all the food they could grow on it (for free - the plants and animals were already here) which was very doable for them.

We’re rich today because our ancestors took a good deal when they saw it, and didn’t feel the need to work 16 hours a day to make someone else get wealthy.

 

[royal_archer]

Or those conditions might become the standard expectation across an industry, part of a general work culture (think Japan). so it’s a choice between that or no job. I guess we’re not at that stage in the west because of the hangover from the labour movement plus enough lazy people with priorites outside of work.

Wel I know plenty of people who do put in 8 hour days and are keeping their jobs. Lets face it most Americans are not willing to put in more than a 40 hour week so putting in 45 can make you stand out in some cases.

 

[royal_archer]

The free education here is worthless. I was in both special and reguler ed and both Catholic and public schools. Reguler ed public schools are a waste of time with they way they currently teach.

What! a Government program failing? Who would have thought.

Although education is only worth what you put into it. Maybe our media should give accademic achievers the same attention they give athletes.

 

[royal_archer]

Is there something wrong with leaving a work when you are scheduled to be done for the day.

Nope. I was pointing out that many Americans are satisfied with the level of success they have achieved working an 8 hour day. The point isn’t that everyone should work uncompensated overtime, the point was that if one is not satisfied with their current wage, uncompensated overtime can be an effective way of getting noticed for promotions.

 

[royal_archer]

A rather emotional response. Also a straw man. I never said that America was bad, I have a problem with corporate culture. This is the problem with many people I see today, they equate America with the companies that come from it. The States are the States regardless of her corporations. Just because someone doesn’t think that Corporate America deserves unmitigated praise doesn’t mean they want to leave the country.

In addition, just because someone can acknowledge what’s good in other nations doesn’t mean they hate their own. It isn’t an either/or situation. Life in Europe is pretty good despite what neo-cons like the imagine. Life in the States is good despite what many left wingers like to imagine.

More emotion, and straw men. Who said anything about not wanting a free country? Once more, Corporations do not equal America. Understand that. In addition, you need to understand that the countries our ancestors came from have grown and changed just like the States. You may not know this but the Streets of Western Europe are now no more clogged with starving waifs than the US. Also the potato famine is now over.

In addition many people did come to America for freebies and handouts. They came for free land. They just had to show up and claim it. Doesn’t mean your ancestors did, but really lets keep things in perspective.

Our corporate structure is reflective of the level of freedom we have left in America. to destroy their right to opperate in a manner they see fit (and which does not harm others)is an attack on freedom. An attack on freedom is an attack on America.

If you acknowledge the failure of socialistic policies in foriegn countries, why would you want to force those policies on us?

 

[royal_archer]

Really? Because my ancestors certainly came for the freebies - land in Scotland was out of their reach, financially speaking - if they had remained in Scotland, they would have been renting for the rest of their lives. Coming to Canada meant becoming land-owners for 10 cents an acre, and eating all the food they could grow on it (for free - the plants and animals were already here) which was very doable for them.

We’re rich today because our ancestors took a good deal when they saw it, and didn’t feel the need to work 16 hours a day to make someone else get wealthy.

Good for them. I believe there are still thousands of acres of untamed wilderness up there. Although farming is hard work.

 

[jmcrae]

Nope. I was pointing out that many Americans are satisfied with the level of success they have achieved working an 8 hour day. The point isn’t that everyone should work uncompensated overtime, the point was that if one is not satisfied with their current wage, uncompensated overtime can be an effective way of getting noticed for promotions.

Or, if you just want to get the raise straight away, you can take a second job in the evenings - it’s the exact same amount of extra work, and you don’t have to wait for anyone to notice you.

 

[fultonfish]

If you want to not be poor, pray all the time.

Keep a rosary in your hands all day and also when you go to bed. And say the rosary when you fall asleep and continue praying the rosary as soon as you open your eyes.

Add extra mysteries.

Visit the prayer section here at CAF and pray for all the people who are having crises in their lives.

You will end up rich and happy.

I used to have people complain to me about the lousy hours and benefits and money and the stuff they turned down was more than I was making. It was difficult for me to be sympathetic, but I would urge them to take the job and do it to the best of their ability because it was better than sitting around the house doing nothing and they would just get angry with me.

Focus on your prayer life. Make Jesus the whole entire focus of your life. Tell Jesus you are putting your life in His Hands. Ask Mary, His Mother, to get Him to help you.

There was an outofwork actor who prayed and prayed and prayed including to St. Jude and one day got a job acting the part of St. Thaddeus, which he found out was