How REAL is Satan?

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Yes, Satan is real. Don’t deny his existence, but don’t go to the other extreme. Don’t develop an unhealthy or excessive interest in him, or his minions. Rather, simply pray to God, mirroring your baptismal promises, assuming you were baptised. Among these is a pledge to reject Satan and all his works, etc…
 
Sure. I’ve been talking with her for several months now, and every time we talk, she encourages me to persevere in the faith. She encouraged me through RCIA. Yet soon after I began to pray the rosary more often, it was as if someone took her identity and warped it. She was not herself - talking about suicide, being a slut, etc. Totally NOT her. So I asked her what was going on and she said, “What’s wrong? You don’t like my new tune?” Then she stopped speaking to me. I wonder if she is really doing the talking now. :confused:
:hmmm: Sorry to hear that.
It may be a simple coincidence, that she ‘turned’ when you started the rosary. It may also be a case of jealousy, that she cannot have the discipline or inclination to pray the rosary. It may also be a case of emotional scars that haven’t been healed yet.

Get the best option for you is not to be too involved with her and pray for her.
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Get the best option for you is not to be too involved with her and pray for her.
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Correction! the above should read:

I guess -]Get/-] the best option for you is not to be too involved with her and pray for her.
 
FreeSpirit1 wrote: “If Satan didn’t exist, then why would the Vatican have official exorcists?”

Sorry, but that’s like saying, “if the Greek gods don’t exist, how come the Vatican has paintings of them on its walls?” The Vatican has exorcists because it believes that Satan exists. That doesn’t mean he does exist.
 
FreeSpirit1 wrote: “If Satan didn’t exist, then why would the Vatican have official exorcists?”

Sorry, but that’s like saying, “if the Greek gods don’t exist, how come the Vatican has paintings of them on its walls?” The Vatican has exorcists because it believes that Satan exists. That doesn’t mean he does exist.
That doesn’t mean he fails to exist, either. The existence or nonexistence of a given entity isn’t based on who believes. In one way, disbelief is astonishing, and sad. But on the other hand, I am glad they haven’t had experiences mandating belief. I myself have, at the hands of those who, albeit unknowingly, have done Satan’s evil work in my life. I am still trying to heal from those disgusting encounters.
 
Thanks, FreeSpirit1, for posting the link to Zachary King. His little talk reminded me of a similar character named Mike Warnke, who claimed, a few decades ago, to be a convert from the Worldwide Satanist Conspiracy, and worked the evangelical circuit. But it turned out that he had made up most of it, so I am a little skeptical when I hear the same line. I am also a little puzzled as to who Christians think is actually running the world. Some say God is in control of everything, others call the devil the “prince of this world,” and claim, like Mr. King, that his agents are behind the chaos of world affairs. I call this the Paranoid School of History. We are always looking for someone to blame other than ourselves, but that seems a bit too easy. History isn’t that simple, though if it were, I think the E-word (the subject we are not allowed to discuss, though I fail to see why) is a better explanation. At least it fits the available evidence.
 
Thanks, FreeSpirit1, for posting the link to Zachary King. His little talk reminded me of a similar character named Mike Warnke, who claimed, a few decades ago, to be a convert from the Worldwide Satanist Conspiracy, and worked the evangelical circuit. But it turned out that he had made up most of it, so I am a little skeptical when I hear the same line. I am also a little puzzled as to who Christians think is actually running the world. Some say God is in control of everything, others call the devil the “prince of this world,” and claim, like Mr. King, that his agents are behind the chaos of world affairs. I call this the Paranoid School of History. We are always looking for someone to blame other than ourselves, but that seems a bit too easy. History isn’t that simple, though if it were, I think the E-word (the subject we are not allowed to discuss, though I fail to see why) is a better explanation. At least it fits the available evidence.
Satan is the ‘prince of this world’ because of the fall from grace of the angels (and, as a result, mankind), but his greatest power over man is his power of persuasion, just like it was when he tempted Adam and Eve. He will do whatever he can to influence what men do, but in the end, man is responsible for choosing whether to do good or evil. “The devil made me do it.”, is a cop-out that doesn’t take any of the blame off of us. Ultimately, we’re still responsible for our own actions (or inaction), except in the case of true ‘possession’ but that’s extremely rare.

Before ‘the fall’, the world was perfect and peaceful, but sin has distorted it into what it is, now. The more sinful we become, the worse the whole world gets. We decide whether to do good or bad, but the devil is the one that tries to make us ignore God and do evil things. He can’t force us to do anything, but the more evil we do, the more inclined we are to continue doing it. Without having God as a model for us to follow, we tend to choose to take the ‘easy way out’ of any situation, which usually tends to lead us to making bad decisions. Believing in God makes us all much better people in the long run, which also makes the whole world better.

As far as “satanists” go, there certainly are those that tend to take delight in the misery of others. I don’t doubt that there are some sick people in this world that would ‘worship’ the devil, just because they tend to think the same way he does. I’m pretty sure they make him very happy, especially since he still hates them as much as he hates every other man. He knows that, in the end, he’ll still get to torment them just as much, if not more than, all the others that end up in hell. But, they do tend to feed his massive ego, while they’re here.
 
Telstar wrote: " Without having God as a model for us to follow, we tend to choose to take the ‘easy way out’ of any situation, which usually tends to lead us to making bad decisions. Believing in God makes us all much better people in the long run, which also makes the whole world better."

Recent legal proceedings in Ireland and Philadelphia, would cast some doubt on this theory. There is great sanctity in some church members throughout history, but it is offset by wickedness in others. We frankly don’t know enough about the comparative behavior throughout history of those who “have God,” those who “have another God or Gods,” and those who “have no God,” to make such a statement plausible. Having such a God as the Christian one ought to make us all “much better people,” but there’s no way to prove that it does. For one thing, nobody knows what people’s behavior would be like if they didn’t “have God.” It’s just a thinly veiled way to say “my God’s better than your God,” which accomplishes little, in my view.
Nor can one take refuge in “free will” to explain evils perpetrated by church members. True, they did choose to commit evil acts, but “having God” did not influence them not to, so its influence seems minimal. OTOH, when Christians do good, there’s no way to prove that it was because they “had God” rather than having peer pressure, or a desire to be approved, or a personal good nature which they would have as well without God.
 
Well, I can appreciate your question about the “Evil One”.

A year-or-so ago, a family member was invited to visit us and stay awhile.
Until she arrived with her suitcase we did not know what a _atanist really is, and did not know
she was one.
We soon found out, and it was not a pretty picture. Even my big dog’s ran with their tails between their leg’s whenever she came out of her guest room. She would laugh at seeing them frightened, and say: “Oh, they just can see the giant Snake following me.”:eek:
It actually was difficult to breathe deeply, to think clearly when she was around, or to sleep.
It was even hard to complete a paragraph verbally when trying to speak to her(kind of felt like you were being choked). I then knew, for the first time ever, what that dark spirit can do, and what it feels like.
Needless to say we were quite happy when she ended her stay a week later. Plus the bottle of Holy Water had to be replenished.:o
This is a very true, and tragic story.
wow 😦 that is very scary…

I have no doubts that the devil is real. I’m glad that we also know that he will be defeated 🙂 (he already is, by the Cross 😃 )

God bless!
 
Satan is very real and at work. Sin originated with Satan, who is also called the devil.

The devil has sinned from the beginning (1 John 3:8)

That serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan (Revelation 12:9)

Satan was living in heaven when he sinned. His name was Lucifer which means “Day Star.”
Lucifer was a heavenly angel created by God. He was perfect in wisdom and beauty and stood next to God’s throne. (Psalm 99:1)

Lucifer wanted to unseat God and demanded all worship him. Satan wants people to worship him and even tried to persuade Jesus to worship him.

Lucifer was cast out of heaven for this reason, along with one-third of the angels. (Revelation 12:7-9)

Satans headquarters is the earth, not hell. God gave Adam and Eve dominion over the earth (Genesis 1:26) when they sinned, they lost it to Satan (Romans 6:16), who then became ruler, or price, of the earth(John 12:31). Satan hates humans and since he can’t touch God, he goes after God’s children. He wants to destroy us to hurt God.

Satan convinced: one-third of the angels (Revelation 12:3-9); Adam and Eve (Genesis 3); All but eight people in Noah’s day (1 Peter 3:20). He will make the lost feel saved (Matthew 7:21-23). Almost the entire world will follow him (Revelation 13:3) Few will be saved (Matthew 7:14; 22:14

Satan’s end-time deceptive power will be so great that almost the entire world will follow him.

Who will we follow? God or Satan?
 
Well stated!
When she saw my St. Benedict Crucifix pop out from behind my jacket, she flew into
a maddening rage, and her eye’s actually went from blue to black in color.:eek:
Don’t be gullible, guys. It’s one thing to feel Satan’s influence in other people. That’s God equipping you to be safe from Satan. It’s quite another thing to see someone’s eyes change color. I don’t believe that for one moment.

Being a former pagan, I did meet Satanists on occasion. Some of them like to dress like goths(though not all goths are into Satanism and the occult). Some dress in plaid shirts and jeans, with no makeup. So, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference. Any person that you don’t really know can be a Satanist. I met one at a Pagan Pride Day, years ago, that was handing out pamphlets. I thought for certain she was some Born Again Christian, trying to proselytize. No, she was a Satanist.

Just pray to God and St. Benedict.
 
Satan is very real and at work. Sin originated with Satan, who is also called the devil.

The devil has sinned from the beginning (1 John 3:8)

That serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan (Revelation 12:9)

Satan was living in heaven when he sinned. His name was Lucifer which means “Day Star.”
Lucifer was a heavenly angel created by God. He was perfect in wisdom and beauty and stood next to God’s throne. (Psalm 99:1)

Lucifer wanted to unseat God and demanded all worship him. Satan wants people to worship him and even tried to persuade Jesus to worship him.

Lucifer was cast out of heaven for this reason, along with one-third of the angels. (Revelation 12:7-9)

Satans headquarters is the earth, not hell. God gave Adam and Eve dominion over the earth (Genesis 1:26) when they sinned, they lost it to Satan (Romans 6:16), who then became ruler, or price, of the earth(John 12:31). Satan hates humans and since he can’t touch God, he goes after God’s children. He wants to destroy us to hurt God.

Satan convinced: one-third of the angels (Revelation 12:3-9); Adam and Eve (Genesis 3); All but eight people in Noah’s day (1 Peter 3:20). He will make the lost feel saved (Matthew 7:21-23). Almost the entire world will follow him (Revelation 13:3) Few will be saved (Matthew 7:14; 22:14

Satan’s end-time deceptive power will be so great that almost the entire world will follow him.

Who will we follow? God or Satan?
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Satan is very real and at work. Sin originated with Satan, who is also called the devil.

The devil has sinned from the beginning (1 John 3:8)

That serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan (Revelation 12:9)

Satan was living in heaven when he sinned. His name was Lucifer which means “Day Star.”
Lucifer was a heavenly angel created by God. He was perfect in wisdom and beauty and stood next to God’s throne. (Psalm 99:1)

Lucifer wanted to unseat God and demanded all worship him. Satan wants people to worship him and even tried to persuade Jesus to worship him.

Lucifer was cast out of heaven for this reason, along with one-third of the angels. (Revelation 12:7-9)

Satans headquarters is the earth, not hell. God gave Adam and Eve dominion over the earth (Genesis 1:26) when they sinned, they lost it to Satan (Romans 6:16), who then became ruler, or price, of the earth(John 12:31). Satan hates humans and since he can’t touch God, he goes after God’s children. He wants to destroy us to hurt God.

Satan convinced: one-third of the angels (Revelation 12:3-9); Adam and Eve (Genesis 3); All but eight people in Noah’s day (1 Peter 3:20). He will make the lost feel saved (Matthew 7:21-23). Almost the entire world will follow him (Revelation 13:3) Few will be saved (Matthew 7:14; 22:14

Satan’s end-time deceptive power will be so great that almost the entire world will follow him.

Who will we follow? God or Satan?
Ahriman is the force of evil you call Satan. He coexists with Ormuzd, the Force of Good, from the beginning, and their battle will never end, according to the holy scriptures (i.e. the Zend Avesta). All this was revealed centuries before Jesus by the holy prophet Zoroaster.

So will you follow Ormuzd or Ahriman?
 
Ahriman is the force of evil you call Satan. He coexists with Ormuzd, the Force of Good, from the beginning, and their battle will never end, according to the holy scriptures (i.e. the Zend Avesta). All this was revealed centuries before Jesus by the holy prophet Zoroaster.
So will you follow Ormuzd or Ahriman?
I will follow Jesus Christ and that which is written in the Holy Bible. Jesus Christ lives, Zoroaster is dead.
 
Ahriman is the force of evil you call Satan. He coexists with Ormuzd, the Force of Good, from the beginning, and their battle will never end, according to the holy scriptures (i.e. the Zend Avesta). All this was revealed centuries before Jesus by the holy prophet Zoroaster.

So will you follow Ormuzd or Ahriman?
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I have no clue what you are talking about.
 
I will follow Jesus Christ and that which is written in the Holy Bible. Jesus Christ lives, Zoroaster is dead.
Not so: the holy Zoroaster was raised from the dead to prove his divine mission. This was proclaimed by his followers, who were transformed when his risen self appeared to them when they were hiding for fear of the Persian authorities. Inspired with holy courage because the Holy Prophet had conquered death through the Fire of Ormuzd, they spread the holy word of dualism throughout the world. We know this is true because they suffered horrible martyrdom because of their faith, and no one does a horrible death for a falsehood.
 
Not so: the holy Zoroaster was raised from the dead to prove his divine mission. This was proclaimed by his followers, who were transformed when his risen self appeared to them when they were hiding for fear of the Persian authorities. Inspired with holy courage because the Holy Prophet had conquered death through the Fire of Ormuzd, they spread the holy word of dualism throughout the world. We know this is true because they suffered horrible martyrdom because of their faith, and no one does a horrible death for a falsehood.
So where are the millions of followers of “holy Zoroaster?” Where are the millions of churches risen in his honor? You are simply posting a clumsy paraphrase of the Gospel story. Try again.
 
So where are the millions of followers of “holy Zoroaster?” Where are the millions of churches risen in his honor? You are simply posting a clumsy paraphrase of the Gospel story. Try again.
Of course I am. But think how annoyed it made you. That is how annoyed a lot of people get when somebody – not necessarily you, but several people on this list – makes some definite statement of fact based on nothing but a literal reading of the Bible or what “the Church teaches.” Maybe the person saying that is totally convinced, but pronouncing as incontrovertible and self-evident Fact an assertion backed by nothing but one religion’s authority is not going to impress those not of that religion, especially if it’s something that strikes many people as silly, such as, for example, “Adam and Eve were real people,” or “Satan tempted them in the form of a snake.” What is true for some is a fairy tale to others, and the others will not be convinced by mere assertion, no matter how strident. If you (i.e. plural, “you Catholics”) want us to believe, give us a reason better than “the Bible or the Church says so.” We don’t see your doctrines as self-evident.
 
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