How should a Catholic respond to growing evidence against church teachings on LGBT parenting?

[Neithan]

Forgive me if I feel targeted for being Catholic on a Catholic forum with this thread

Isn’t that what CAF is for? This isn’t (supposed to be) a nice insular self-congratulating ministry. Engaging in Apologetics is putting yourself out there to be targeted and making the best defence you can. Don’t worry, the faith holds up entirely well.

As for the “science” in these studies, it’s entirely suspect, unfortunately, motivated by political agendas. Much of this sort of psychology is based on a complex question fallacy. They start with the presupposition that homosexuality is healthy and normal. Of course you’re not going to arrive at a conclusion contrary to that preconceived assumption.

 

[Dolphin]

Doesn’t it seem surprising how you have found these “hidden gems” of translation in the Bible when thousands of Saints, priests, Popes, scholars, theologians, and lay people never found them over the past 2,000 years?

 

[Thorolfr]

There is so much more to a sexual relationship than just the sexual act. I saw my parents appreciate each other “sexually” by flirting with each other, hugging and kissing each other, and by a special kind of attention and attentiveness reserved for each other.

What you describe is hardly universal. Some families are much more physically demonstrative in showing affection for each other than others whereas others are more restrained. And a lot of this is cultural and depends to some degree on what country or what region of a country people come from. My Dad’s family, for example, came from Puritan New England stock and I never really saw any flirting and not much public hugging and kissing either even between married couples.

 

[Dolphin]

And you are posting an article with nudity why? We do have children on this site…

 

[TheBomb.Com]

Don’t forget that our modern understanding of sexuality has not always existed!

 

[KMC]

So what is the source of your theology? You?

 

[TheBomb.Com]

Is the nudity really that important? Skip to the body of the article if you’re so uncomfortable with it.

 

[Dolphin]

I am not uncomfortable with it. I am uncomfortable with exposing CHILDREN to pornographic pictures on a CATHOLIC site

 

[TheBomb.Com]

The source of my theology is scripture. :hugs:

 

[KMC]

The source of my theology is scripture. :hugs:

Well, so says every variation of believer who calls themselves a Christian. Perhaps the better question is this: By what authority can you claim your interpretation to be true?

 

[TheBomb.Com]

I’m not even sure what I’m supposed to say to you. What’s important is the information within the article.

 

[sealabeag]

I’m so disappointed in a member posting this article. As someone who has struggled with pornography addiction, you just placed an occasion of sin in my path.

 

[Thorolfr]

There is no wrong in one feeling sexually attracted to a person of the same sex.

But the Catholic Church hardly considers this attraction to be a good or a harmless thing, does it? It might not be a sin to have this attraction, but Catholic documents still describe it as “a tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil.” It still means that people with this attraction are considered to have something seriously “wrong” with them.

 

[redbetta]

Heteronormativity? Someone has been drinking the Koolaid lately.

 

[KMC]

So anyway, this is my last message on this thread.

Homophobia and Transphobia are HUGE problems in Christianity today. Non-binary individuals don’t feel accepted and are turned away for not conforming to society’s gender roles. Your gender DOES NOT MATTER. Your sexual orientation DOES NOT MATTER. All that matters is that you are a Child of God who is loved and accepted by Him. Reject heteronormativity and embrace who you really are!

Sorry you don’t want to engage in additional dialogue. For other readers of this thread, I’ll leave this:

When you come across someone who is espousing a viewpoint that seems contradictory to Catholic Christian belief, find out by what authority they can claim what they say is true. If they, like TheBomb.com, cite the Bible as their authority, then…guess what…so does everybody else who calls themselves Christian that has a divergent point of view on what the Bible says.

Christ founded a Church and gave that Church authority to speak in His name. The Church founded on Peter and the Apostles. The Church that has been in existence for 2000 years. That is the authority we should look to.

 

[0Scarlett_nidiyilii]

I’m basing this on the original greek translations of the Bible. The word “homosexual” didn’t even appear in the Bible until 1946. Martin Luther himself, a raging homophobe, did not translate the “clobber passages” to condemn homosexuality.

Yeah, I’m familiar with that modern exegesis.

Isn’t it funny, though, how thousands of years of Judeo-Christian theology got it all wrong:exclamation:until it was modern and popular to think otherwise

 

[Annie]

It may not be precisely those things which I mentioned, I wasn’t trying to list all the ways married people interact with their spouses; however, the interaction between spouses is not limited to the precise sexual act.

 

[BrettK]

I wouldn’t have to worry about our moral position being incorrect, as the position itself was ordered by God. If I were to come to a conclusion of our moral position being incorrect, that would mean that God or at least our understanding of God would come fully into question and that would have far more detrimental effects to the entirety of the church, Christianity, and in general the concept of the divine.

 

[Theo520]

From my perspective I’ve seen problems with same sex adoptions that might not have existed with traditional parents. Two dads often do very poorly relating to a teenage daughter, they lack the perspective a mother can bring. Conversely I’ve also seen how two moms struggle with managing a teen boy. In both scenarios the child lacks a sex appropriate role model in their home.

My experience is anecdotal, but I do believe mixed sex parenting is a step above same sex parenting.

I also acknowledge that same sex parents can be far better than the worst foster care has offered, or just very dysfunctional parenting.

 

[Thorolfr]

It may not be precisely those things which I mentioned, I wasn’t trying to list all the ways married people interact with their spouses; however, the interaction between spouses is not limited to the precise sexual act.

Nor can the interaction really be described as “sexual” much of the time. That’s why I don’t know why Rau insists on talking about gay parents modelling “same sex sexual relationships” to their children instead of “same sex relationships.” The sexual aspect is probably not all that apparent to most children.