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Neithan
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Is this an argument for legalized polyandry? I don’t quite get the point.
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Is this an argument for legalized polyandry? I don’t quite get the point.
It sounds to me like an argument to keep the American blacks in inter generational poverty by continuing the efforts to destroy the black nuclear family, that was, before the Great Society, bringing blacks out of poverty.
LeafByNiggle
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It sounds like neither of you actually read beyond the headline. Actually it is worthy of discussion, if you would like to read it.
LeafByNiggle
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One of the main points of the article is that traditional African culture places more emphasis on the village than the American nuclear family model which almost completely discounts the village. Is your comment that you don’t believe this is the case? Or that you believe it is the case, but that it is a bad way to order one’s life? I really want to know which it is.
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ThinkingSapien
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While not the same thing, I’ve asked about something similar before. There are often statements comparing a single parent household with a dual parent household. I’ve asked if those studies ever consider other configurations of child raising. My sister is divorced. She has a son. But between the involvement of my parents and siblings my nephew is not left wanting for attention of guidance.
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StudentMI
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Laughable. Not worth reading.
Christian culture needs defense right now, not this garbage
Christian culture needs defense right now, not this garbage
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StudentMI
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The family is the first society. To emphasize it is just.
LeafByNiggle
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I am reminded of various models in the animal kingdom, especially lions, where a pride has several related females that cooperate in raising any cubs. The typical American nuclear family has always struck me as a bit lonely. I was fortunate to have lived in a multi-generational household all my formative years. My Polish grandmother and aunt played a significant role in my upbringing, which was significantly richer than if my two parents had left all that behind and settled somewhere in a community where no one is really that close.
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StudentMI
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We’re different. We have souls, for one.
LeafByNiggle
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To emphasize it at the exclusion of the extended family is purely American, and is not biblical. When the gospels mention Jesus’ brothers and sisters, they are not referring to children of Mary and Joseph. They are referring to related members of their community beyond the nuclear family.
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LeafByNiggle
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Yet my human upbringing was somewhat similar to how the lions manage. So having a soul does not preclude living in an extended family.LeafByNiggle:
We’re different. We have souls, for one.
There is nothing Christian about the American model of the nuclear family.
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StudentMI
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Who said it does? Nevertheless JonNC is correct. This is politically correct nonsense that will just keep more people in intergenerational poverty.
It takes a family, not a village.
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Annie
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In fact, even with nuclear families or those sort of extended nuclear families (multi-generational), before WW2, most people in even Western societies lived in villages or neighborhoods, with everything in walking distance.
So the idea of a village or neighborhood is rather common throughout the world and throughout history.
What I am wondering is how do people know about things like “the mother-idea” as some sort of thing separate from what was happening elsewhere?
And how did African villages work wrt parents, children, etc., before the West came and disrupted it all? And how do we know that?
And how do we know that people did not voluntarily give up what they had for something they saw as better?
So the idea of a village or neighborhood is rather common throughout the world and throughout history.
What I am wondering is how do people know about things like “the mother-idea” as some sort of thing separate from what was happening elsewhere?
And how did African villages work wrt parents, children, etc., before the West came and disrupted it all? And how do we know that?
And how do we know that people did not voluntarily give up what they had for something they saw as better?
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StudentMI
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The Arabs were I believe the first to penetrate deep into Africa. They didn’t describe an idyllic paradise.
LeafByNiggle
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That depends on how you define family. Who was Jesus’ family when they lived in Nazareth? Was it only Mary and Joseph? Why would Mary and Joseph assume for 3 days that Jesus was in the caravan coming back from Jerusalem and were not worried that they had not seen him all that time if they did not have a wider concept of family than just the three of them?
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StudentMI
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Are you familiar with Catholic doctrine regarding thr family? Because, no offense, what you’re saying is suggesting you aren’t.
LeafByNiggle
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If you think I’ve said anything contrary to Catholic doctrine, please spell it out.
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StudentMI
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That’s not what I said. But comparing us to lion cubs, this extension of the immediate family to an extended family to a village. It just doesn’t sound like you’re familiar with it.
LeafByNiggle
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In traditional African culture, the village could be quite small, and not that different from an extended family. And there is nothing wrong with citing similarities with lion cubs, because there are many. And there are many other animals that follow more of the strictly nuclear family, especially some birds. It is just a fact.LeafByNiggle:
That’s not what I said. But comparing us to lion cubs, this extension of the immediate family to an extended family to a village. It just doesn’t sound like you’re familiar with it.
Note: even in an extended family, there is still a special role for the parents.
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