How the sexual toxicity of the 1960s has harmed the Church

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Bradskii said:
Sorry, Magda. I’m missing whatever point it is you thought you were making
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From your posts I am gathering that you tend to think that women do not want to care for their home and family. It is mindless work and that they are all in want and need of a career and that men of the past, those 50’s and 60’s, the time period we are talking about, forced women to do “all that” work in the home. Right or wrong?
 
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MagdalenaRita said:
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Bradskii:
Sorry, Magda. I’m missing whatever point it is you thought you were making
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From your posts I am gathering that you tend to think that women do not want to care for their home and family. It is mindless work and that they are all in want and need of a career and that men of the past forced women to do “all that” in the home. Right or wrong?
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To be honest, I don’t think that you know what I am talking about.
 
Bradskii said:
Does ‘we’ include all the women who aspired to a nice kitchen, a fridge, a new vacuum cleaner, housework, a meal ready for the master of the house when he got home from a hard day at the office?
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You forgot to add while wearing a dress and pearls…yeah, sooooo many women could relate to THAT!
 
Ed, I was there! (If you mean the time period) My classmates died in that war. I protested that war and no, I never called my classmates baby killers. We couldn’t even vote then but we could die for the Military Industrial Complex. That is what that war was about. No one gave two hoots about a little country in Southeast Asia.
 
My dad was a World War 2 vet. The young people who went to Vietnam were serving their country. They were patriots. I saw the gradual rise of the ‘you should hate your country crowd.’ As far as protests, some were just doing what they were taught. Others knew how to protest with conviction. In any case, after the war, back to loose women, booze and dope.

Meanwhile, normal women were about to be told that housewife was not good. By total strangers.
 
My dad was in WWII, too. He served at Pearl Harbor in the signal corps. My uncle served in Asia and would never talk about it.

My classmates and three best friends served in Vietnam. Two came back, one as a heroin addict. He later was able to turn his life around but the few stories they shared were horrid. They felt it was hopeless because the US wouldn’t commit to winning the war. They had to kill women and children. They said most of the time they had no idea who the enemy was so they just killed everything in sight…on orders.

Some of the most committed protesters were vets. They all said it changed their life and not really for the better. They’d never trust the US again. That’s the legacy the war left for us.
 
In your opinion was the international conditions responsible for the social conditions?

I can see it is a bit because we were all living in fear that we were capable of destroying the world 100 times over which brought about a “lets live for tomorrow we die” mentality.
 
No. When the US and USSR deployed ICBMs in 1959, and throughout the Cold War, I did not lose a second of sleep. When a few bring up the horror of the Military-Industrial Complex, I was out having fun and so was everybody else. I knew my chances of survival were zero. Nihilists would be nihilists even if they thought The Bomb didn’t matter. From the 1950s: “Live fast. Die young. And leave behind a good looking corpse.” That was totally wrong thinking and we knew it.
 
edwest211 said:
If you weren’t there, you weren’t there.
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And you were going on about why everyone had to go. The domino effect wasn’t it? I asked you what happened when you lost. Many dominos drop? Or was everyone sent there on a fool’s errand. You omitted to answer.

Oh, sorry. I forgot. Millions died so you could try out new weapons. Was that it?

And you have the nerve to complain about ‘rock and roll’ and why women still aren’t in the kitchen.
 
A good home can have a working mother and father. Women have always worked. The poor inner city mother toiling in factories. The domestic houseworker taking care of another woman’s children. Millions of people worked in “service” in England. This meant generational servitude because of an accident of birth. In the African-American community prior to The Civil Rights Act of 1964, segregation was a daily reality. Black men were denied access to most employment. Black women with a few exceptions were housekeepers. Educational opportunities were strictly limited. It was legal to deny people entrance to schools because of the color of their skin. The same public schools built with their slave labor and maintained with their taxes. Did you know the American Medical Association held its meetings in all male country clubs to deny women access? The fantasy world of the 50s was just that a FANTASY! Don’t forget in the “fabulous 50s” sexual abuse in the Catholic Church was tolerated, ignored, and the perpetrators protected. Thank God for reformers and rule breakers that refuse to settle for the status quo.
 
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I grew up with a friend whose father NEVER recovered from the trauma of Vietnam. He suffered from PTSD and was an alcoholic. Rest in peace, James!
 
glencor63 said:
A good home can have a working mother and father. Women have always worked.
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Yes you are correct, women have always worked. Even back in biblical times a woman, Deborah, was a judge. Many women spent time at the temple working on the veil and other linens.

Mostly women throughout time, though, if they had to work and if they could, they worked part time. This was so that they could still care for their home and family or be home when their children got home from school. Daycares, preschools and after school programs were not as readily available as they are today. Also extended family typically lived a lot closer and would help out with work, home and family.
Small businesses and farming was more abundant than what they are today and families, both parents and children, would work in the family business or on the farm. That kept the family together and they would still be in the presence of the mother, when she was needed.
glencor63 said:
Did you know the American Medical Association held its meetings in all male country clubs to deny women access?
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Yes, I am very well aware of all the changes happening in the medical profession and it continues to change, with more and more women becoming nurse practitioners now.
glencor63 said:
Don’t forget in the “fabulous 50s” sexual abuse in the Catholic Church was tolerated, ignored, and the perpetrators protected.
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So in every era there has been one thing that has always happened; sin. No era has been without it and no era was perfect. Sadly that sexual abuse still happens. Hopefully we will see an end to it soon.
glencor63 said:
The fantasy world of the 50s was just that a FANTASY!
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I don’t think anyone has said the 50’s were perfect but I have noticed that when the topic of working women or women being at home with family comes up, it is usually followed by a comment about the 50’s.
The time of the 50’s was a post war era and the reason family, home and traditional marriage was so focused on at that time was due to an effort to rebuild families that had been broken apart by the preceding and horrible world wars, let alone people still trying to recover from the Great Depression. I applaud the people of that era for that effort and think we could learn from that and work to rebuild families today, which is so desperately needed.
 
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I agree with all of this. However, I have seen the same angry response regarding the 1950s for a long time. Any attempt to obscure what actually happened must be exposed. Too many men and women today, after decades of bad examples, think wrongly and live wrongly. To aspire to what is good is good.
 
I am here to present factual information. To correct distortions and bias attached to comments made here. The Pentagon needed good data on new and improved weapon systems. The best way to get it was under actual combat conditions. As I wrote, the enemy had no B-52 bombers or aircraft carriers. A number of raids by B-52s devastated entire areas. The cost in enemy lives was high. American troop levels peaked in 1968 at 536,100. By 1973, it was down to 50. The number of South Vietnamese troops increased as American troop levels decreased.
 
And this sort of incendiary talk does not advance any real discussion. The '60s were invented/used by people who wanted to promote sexual deviancy.
 
edwest211 said:
And this sort of incendiary talk does not advance any real discussion. The '60s were invented/used by people who wanted to promote sexual deviancy.
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In a free society, providing children and pets aren’t harmed, people can have any sex they like. They don’t need your permission, or the Church’s.
 
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