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Aloysium
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You say you do not understand the difference between “a being” and “being”.
Consider the difference between “a candy” and “candy” or “a (piece of) wood” and “wood”.
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Consider the difference between “a candy” and “candy” or “a (piece of) wood” and “wood”.
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MaryHelp777
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Bahman I don’t know what religion you are, but rationality on its own cannot find God.
Hitler thought it was rational to kill all the Jews.
Judas thought it was rational to betray Jesus to the Pharisees.
Some people think it’s rational to abort/murder their own baby.
Rationality of a human being is prone to serious grave error and evil.
God is infinite. You are a finite human being
God is full of Mysteries that the human mind is incapable of comprehending
The Bible says so.
Faith is an essential part of belief in all the precepts of God.
You said even devil’s can work miracles.
How do you know the difference?
Simple, any miracle that bears good fruit longterm is of God.
Anything that is approved the Roman Catholic Church, by a spiritual director, by a bishop, by the Pope, that obeys and does not contradict scripture.
So therefore yes, miracles can be discerned as from God. And can be evidence of God. And all of the Roman Catholic churches doctrine.
You however have said that all a human being needs to find God is their own rational. Nope. That’s how you lead yourself astray, that’s how every person in the world can start making up.their own religion of what suits them,
If God wanted you to find Him ony through using you rationale, then why did He give you the Bible, the Prophets, Jesus, the Apostles, the New Testament, priests, the Catechism, Bishops, deacons, the Pope. catholic books, miracles, the saints, apparitions of Our Lady throughout the world such as the approved apparitions of La Sallette, Fatima, Lourdes, Rue De Bac, Akita, Knock,…
God does not want you making up and figuring out absolutely everything on your own and has left you powerhouses of guidance to His truth.
Stop making up your own rules and open up to the Truth of Christ that He gave and gives through the True Catholic Church He founded 2016 years ago.
Repent and believe the good news.
God bless you
Hitler thought it was rational to kill all the Jews.
Judas thought it was rational to betray Jesus to the Pharisees.
Some people think it’s rational to abort/murder their own baby.
Rationality of a human being is prone to serious grave error and evil.
God is infinite. You are a finite human being
God is full of Mysteries that the human mind is incapable of comprehending
The Bible says so.
Faith is an essential part of belief in all the precepts of God.
You said even devil’s can work miracles.
How do you know the difference?
Simple, any miracle that bears good fruit longterm is of God.
Anything that is approved the Roman Catholic Church, by a spiritual director, by a bishop, by the Pope, that obeys and does not contradict scripture.
So therefore yes, miracles can be discerned as from God. And can be evidence of God. And all of the Roman Catholic churches doctrine.
You however have said that all a human being needs to find God is their own rational. Nope. That’s how you lead yourself astray, that’s how every person in the world can start making up.their own religion of what suits them,
If God wanted you to find Him ony through using you rationale, then why did He give you the Bible, the Prophets, Jesus, the Apostles, the New Testament, priests, the Catechism, Bishops, deacons, the Pope. catholic books, miracles, the saints, apparitions of Our Lady throughout the world such as the approved apparitions of La Sallette, Fatima, Lourdes, Rue De Bac, Akita, Knock,…
God does not want you making up and figuring out absolutely everything on your own and has left you powerhouses of guidance to His truth.
Stop making up your own rules and open up to the Truth of Christ that He gave and gives through the True Catholic Church He founded 2016 years ago.
Repent and believe the good news.
God bless you
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Bahman
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You need to first define Supreme Mind and Mind and the deference between them. I already defined Mind and explain that there is no need for more than one Mind. In fact I also show that having more than one Mind is problematic.Actually, it has everything to do with the OP since it addresses the nature of the One Supreme Mind, which brings everything, including many minds, into existence.
We are either cognitively open to reality or not. We could understand everything in the first case so God’s intervention just facilitate our effort to understand. We could not understand reality in second case but I don’t think that is the caseTo you it is but one of many beliefs out there. To Catholics it is the truth, which cannot be known other than by revelation, and which was revealed through the incarnation, the teachings, the life and death of Jesus Christ, who established His church on earth and left us with the Holy Spirit to guide us. Once understood, the Trinity makes sense of much that is otherwise intellectually impenetrable.
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Bahman
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Thank you. Now I understand the difference.You say you do not understand the difference between “a being” and “being”.
Consider the difference between “a candy” and “candy” or “a (piece of) wood” and “wood”.
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Bahman
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These are all of topic but let’s get through them.
I have no religion and I don’t think that we need religion. I am simply searching the Truth.Bahman I don’t know what religion you are, but rationality on its own cannot find God.
Yes, that is true but humanity had a great understanding on what is correct by proper practice of our rationalities.Hitler thought it was rational to kill all the Jews.
Judas thought it was rational to betray Jesus to the Pharisees.
Some people think it’s rational to abort/murder their own baby.
Rationality of a human being is prone to serious grave error and evil.
We will be in state of ignorance forever if that is true. What was the God’s purpose for creation of intellectual beings then?God is infinite. You are a finite human being
God is full of Mysteries that the human mind is incapable of comprehending
The Bible says so.
Why we should keep faith on something we don’t understand?Faith is an essential part of belief in all the precepts of God.
I don’t know the difference but I know that Devils can do miracle based on what is reported inBible.You said even devil’s can work miracles.
How do you know the difference?
I think everyone is responsible to search the truth otherwise there was no need for creation of intellectual beings. This is correct by considering the fact that we are in state of ignorance right now.You however have said that all a human being needs to find God is their own rational. Nope. That’s how you lead yourself astray, that’s how every person in the world can start making up.their own religion of what suits them.
If that is the case then why God was not able to convince people?If God wanted you to find Him ony through using you rationale, then why did He give you the Bible, the Prophets, Jesus, the Apostles, the New Testament, priests, the Catechism, Bishops, deacons, the Pope. catholic books, miracles, the saints, apparitions of Our Lady throughout the world such as the approved apparitions of La Sallette, Fatima, Lourdes, Rue De Bac, Akita, Knock,…
How I can believe in a system of belief when I find error within?God does not want you making up and figuring out absolutely everything on your own and has left you powerhouses of guidance to His truth.
How I could believe in a system of belief when it cannot fulfil me intellectually?Stop making up your own rules and open up to the Truth of Christ that He gave and gives through the True Catholic Church He founded 2016 years ago.
Repent and believe the good news.
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MaryHelp777
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The Catholic faith is extremely intellectual. You obviously have not read the greatest works of catholic writing. It will explain your every question about the meaning of life. 10,000 years of prophets, scholars, Christians, saints, Apostles, disciples, theologians, priests, Bishops, etc… from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
You should read the Catholic catechism (free online), from cover to cover. And then come back here to discuss.
How can you decide catholicism is not the truth when you have not investigated it fully to see how God speaks to you through 10,000 years of theological research and miracles by God.
And yes, those apparitions have saved many Souls:
One of the Marian apparition sites in Europe has had 1.4 million visitors in just 30 years, with 600 scientifically proved miracles. And 600 vocations to the religious life arising from it.
10,000 people including communists and aetheists saw the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, the sun moving around the sky, growing in size,.and Jesus being held in Our Lady’s arms, holding a rosary and brown scapular.
You should read the Catholic catechism (free online), from cover to cover. And then come back here to discuss.
How can you decide catholicism is not the truth when you have not investigated it fully to see how God speaks to you through 10,000 years of theological research and miracles by God.
And yes, those apparitions have saved many Souls:
One of the Marian apparition sites in Europe has had 1.4 million visitors in just 30 years, with 600 scientifically proved miracles. And 600 vocations to the religious life arising from it.
10,000 people including communists and aetheists saw the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, the sun moving around the sky, growing in size,.and Jesus being held in Our Lady’s arms, holding a rosary and brown scapular.
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MaryHelp777
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Some of the world’s greatest scientists, doctors, composers, and writers have been Catholics.
One of the most intelligent catholic minds you would love to read is the actual writings of St Thomas Aquinas.
He wrote a whole document explaining Aristotle and Plato.
It sounds like his writings are exactly the thing you are looking for.
Another great follower of philosophy was St Augustine, his writings may be what you are looking for.
One of the most intelligent catholic minds you would love to read is the actual writings of St Thomas Aquinas.
He wrote a whole document explaining Aristotle and Plato.
It sounds like his writings are exactly the thing you are looking for.
Another great follower of philosophy was St Augustine, his writings may be what you are looking for.
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Bahman
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I don’t have that much of time to read whole catechism. What you claim also applies to Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. I cannot possibly understand the truth if I look into all religions.The Catholic faith is extremely intellectual. You obviously have not read the greatest works of catholic writing. It will explain your every question about the meaning of life. 10,000 years of prophets, scholars, Christians, saints, Apostles, disciples, theologians, priests, Bishops, etc… from the Old Testament to the New Testament.
This is Catholic answers forum. This means that there experts in this forum who could answer your question. Isn’t it?You should read the Catholic catechism (free online), from cover to cover. And then come back here to discuss.
I am not questioning Catholicism in this thread instead presenting a model which could describe reality. Until now I didn’t have any good answer.How can you decide catholicism is not the truth when you have not investigated it fully to see how God speaks to you through 10,000 years of theological research and miracles by God.
I am here to discuss things and understand. I don’t need any miracles.And yes, those apparitions have saved many Souls:
One of the Marian apparition sites in Europe has had 1.4 million visitors in just 30 years, with 600 scientifically proved miracles. And 600 vocations to the religious life arising from it.
10,000 people including communists and aetheists saw the Miracle of the Sun in Fatima, the sun moving around the sky, growing in size,.and Jesus being held in Our Lady’s arms, holding a rosary and brown scapular.
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Bahman
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Thanks. I will look at them when I have time.Some of the world’s greatest scientists, doctors, composers, and writers have been Catholics.
One of the most intelligent catholic minds you would love to read is the actual writings of St Thomas Aquinas.
He wrote a whole document explaining Aristotle and Plato.
It sounds like his writings are exactly the thing you are looking for.
Another great follower of philosophy was St Augustine, his writings may be what you are looking for.
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Aloysium
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Actually, knowing one’s spouse, one understands all her/his relationships, because they are all a reflection of who (s)he is. How this relates to your comment is that our relationship with God is at least as intimate as that with our spouse. God is Love. God goes by different names to those who know Him to be the infinitely compassionate mind who gives life/existence to all minds.. . . I cannot possibly understand the truth if I look into all religions. . .
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davidv
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I am sorry, this does not answer my question. My question is: Why do you think “being” and “a being” are the same?I don’t understand the difference. English is not my native language.
Can you look up that definitions in the dictionary? Are the definitions that same? Why do think they mean the same to you?
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MaryHelp777
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Finding God is like dating.
When you date you keep on searching until you find The One.
Finding God on earth is like marriage like another poster said.
You spend time with each religion a little, until you discover The One. The Truth.
Jesus Christ. He died a horrific death on a Cross. He claimed He was God, the Son of God. Historically the Romans even write this from records of the time.
Jesus was either a liar, a madman, or he was telling the truth.
A liar would not be willing to suffer a horrific agonising death for a lie.
A madman would not have endeared hundreds of disciples and 12 Apostles who would later die for the Faith.
Jesus told the Truth. He is the Son of God.
You said you don’t need miracles?
Let’s Hypothetically put out this story,
It’s 20 years later in the future, you are on a hospital bed dying of cancer, you doctor tells you you have 2 hours left to live. God does heal, and has healed miraculously when it is His will to do so. Would you not as a dying person whisper a pray to Jesus, “Lord, please heal me.”?
Or do you not need miracles?
Or another example,
If a close parent of yours was knocked down by a car, they pass out unconscious on the side walk, you hold their head in you hands and whisper, “Jesus if it’s possible, may my mam please hold on until the ambulance arrives, and may she live.”
Or do you not need miracles?
Do you not need help?
Catholics are so grateful to the answered prayers and miracles God bestows.
Catholicism without miracles is not catholicism.
God is the author of the universe, and can do anything within His will. Jesus whole life on earth and from Heaven is evidenced by miracles.
CS Lewis book “Mere Christianity” is a fantastic book.you would love also. Lewis was an aetheist. But something lead him to Christianity. Part of it from the nudging of world famous author friend of his, Jrr Tolkien,
Lewis in his books is fantastic at explaining philosophy also.
When you date you keep on searching until you find The One.
Finding God on earth is like marriage like another poster said.
You spend time with each religion a little, until you discover The One. The Truth.
Jesus Christ. He died a horrific death on a Cross. He claimed He was God, the Son of God. Historically the Romans even write this from records of the time.
Jesus was either a liar, a madman, or he was telling the truth.
A liar would not be willing to suffer a horrific agonising death for a lie.
A madman would not have endeared hundreds of disciples and 12 Apostles who would later die for the Faith.
Jesus told the Truth. He is the Son of God.
You said you don’t need miracles?
Let’s Hypothetically put out this story,
It’s 20 years later in the future, you are on a hospital bed dying of cancer, you doctor tells you you have 2 hours left to live. God does heal, and has healed miraculously when it is His will to do so. Would you not as a dying person whisper a pray to Jesus, “Lord, please heal me.”?
Or do you not need miracles?
Or another example,
If a close parent of yours was knocked down by a car, they pass out unconscious on the side walk, you hold their head in you hands and whisper, “Jesus if it’s possible, may my mam please hold on until the ambulance arrives, and may she live.”
Or do you not need miracles?
Do you not need help?
Catholics are so grateful to the answered prayers and miracles God bestows.
Catholicism without miracles is not catholicism.
God is the author of the universe, and can do anything within His will. Jesus whole life on earth and from Heaven is evidenced by miracles.
CS Lewis book “Mere Christianity” is a fantastic book.you would love also. Lewis was an aetheist. But something lead him to Christianity. Part of it from the nudging of world famous author friend of his, Jrr Tolkien,
Lewis in his books is fantastic at explaining philosophy also.
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MaryHelp777
Guest
St Thomas Aquinas,Thanks. I will look at them when I have time.
And
St Augustine,
(both extremely intellectual Catholics and philosophers)
Their writings are free online to read if you Google them.
You would be much much better off to read these in your own native language, not English.
Also, if you could read some.of the Christian books of CS Lewis in your own language, probably these are not free online, and would have to be gotten in.the library or on amazon.com, do read “Mere Christianity”
(lots of philosophy in these books)
St Thomas Aquinas is the greatest catholic philosopher of all time.though, (other than Jesus)
Could any fellow posters please recommend to Bahman some excellent catholic books that explain God intellectually through philosophy? (and maybe also tie in catholic teachings, church history, the saints etc)
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MaryHelp777
Guest
What language do you speak Bahman?
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Bahman
Guest
I am sorry but I cannot help it. I search in internet dictionary but I couldn’t find any meaning for “a”. I however think that their definition are different.I am sorry, this does not answer my question. My question is: Why do you think “being” and “a being” are the same?
Can you look up that definitions in the dictionary? Are the definitions that same? Why do think they mean the same to you?
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Bahman
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He could be mislead by Satan considering the fact that He was a human being.Finding God is like dating.
When you date you keep on searching until you find The One.
Finding God on earth is like marriage like another poster said.
You spend time with each religion a little, until you discover The One. The Truth.
Jesus Christ. He died a horrific death on a Cross. He claimed He was God, the Son of God. Historically the Romans even write this from records of the time.
Jesus was either a liar, a madman, or he was telling the truth.
A liar would not be willing to suffer a horrific agonising death for a lie.
I am searching for truth so receiving a miracle cannot help me because it cannot satisfyA madman would not have endeared hundreds of disciples and 12 Apostles who would later die for the Faith.
Jesus told the Truth. He is the Son of God.
You said you don’t need miracles?
Let’s Hypothetically put out this story,
It’s 20 years later in the future, you are on a hospital bed dying of cancer, you doctor tells you you have 2 hours left to live. God does heal, and has healed miraculously when it is His will to do so. Would you not as a dying person whisper a pray to Jesus, “Lord, please heal me.”?
Or do you not need miracles?
Or another example,
If a close parent of yours was knocked down by a car, they pass out unconscious on the side walk, you hold their head in you hands and whisper, “Jesus if it’s possible, may my mam please hold on until the ambulance arrives, and may she live.”
Or do you not need miracles?
Do you not need help?
Catholics are so grateful to the answered prayers and miracles God bestows.
Catholicism without miracles is not catholicism.
God is the author of the universe, and can do anything within His will. Jesus whole life on earth and from Heaven is evidenced by miracles.
CS Lewis book “Mere Christianity” is a fantastic book.you would love also. Lewis was an aetheist. But something lead him to Christianity. Part of it from the nudging of world famous author friend of his, Jrr Tolkien,
Lewis in his books is fantastic at explaining philosophy also.
me intellectually.
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Bahman
Guest
Persian.What language do you speak Bahman?
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Bahman
Guest
Thank you. I will Google it.St Thomas Aquinas,
And
St Augustine,
(both extremely intellectual Catholics and philosophers)
Their writings are free online to read if you Google them.
You would be much much better off to read these in your own native language, not English.
Also, if you could read some.of the Christian books of CS Lewis in your own language, probably these are not free online, and would have to be gotten in.the library or on amazon.com, do read “Mere Christianity”
(lots of philosophy in these books)
St Thomas Aquinas is the greatest catholic philosopher of all time.though, (other than Jesus)
Could any fellow posters please recommend to Bahman some excellent catholic books that explain God intellectually through philosophy? (and maybe also tie in catholic teachings, church history, the saints etc)
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Aloysium
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You cannot be serious.I am sorry but I cannot help it. I search in internet dictionary but I couldn’t find any meaning for “a”. I however think that their definition are different.
Try and think what the difference might be.
It has been explained to you, actually.
If you cannot distinguish between being and a being, you will be unable to comprehend how more than one mind is possible.
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MaryHelp777
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So Hypothetically dying of cancer you would prefer to he satisfied intellectually than ask God to heal you?He could be mislead by Satan considering the fact that He was a human being.
I am searching for truth so receiving a miracle cannot help me because it cannot satisfy
me intellectually.
Satan was the greatest of all the angels, and in his pride revolted against God,
The problem with Intellectuals is that in their pride they refuse to believe that there is a God who is infinitely more intellectual than any creature on earth, a God who has control over all things in creation,
Philosophy and science only find what was already there. Most philosophers agree with that. However catholicism.points to God, who made creation and science and philosophy.
CS Lewis was told,
“If there is Creation,
If we are creatures,
It only makes sense there is a Creator.”
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