How to combat porn?

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There is a general objection that Prohibition of hardcore porn will be ineffectual, and that the example of alcohol prohibition in the 1920s proves the point. But here is the real story of the Prohibition, and why prohibition of cable porn, while it will never completely stop hardcore porn, would very likely save lives.

nytimes.com/1989/10/16/opinion/actually-prohibition-was-a-success.html
 
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I think we should restrict ourselves to porn as produced by reasonable mature adults and watched by the same. No-one is going to argue that children should be forced or encouraged to watch it. It’s a different matter.
 
I think we should restrict ourselves to porn as produced by reasonable mature adults and watched by the same. No-one is going to argue that children should be forced or encouraged to watch it. It’s a different matter.
It’s not really a different matter. Children are not exempt from the devastating effects of hardcore porn. Do you have evidence that they are?
 
It’s not really a different matter. Children are not exempt from the devastating effects of hardcore porn. Do you have evidence that they are?
They shouldn’t be watching it. No-one is going to argue against that. Just like children shouldn’t drink whisky or use chainsaws. Because some might doesn’t mean we should ban them. We should make sure access is restricted.

We have a duty of care which is a different matter to the case in point.
 
You deny that any of these things happen at anything more than a trivial scale, correct? You therefore dispute the interview I gave you, among the other things?
I neither deny, nor affirm. I don’t have any statistics for them. But the fact is that many people engage in risky behavior, many even make fatal mistakes. As long as they are adults, they are responsible for their actions. Neither the “do-gooders” nor the government should force them to conform to some standards. If I were a Christian, I would utter the following prayer: “Oh, please Lord, save me from the people who want to save me from myself”. I might appreciate their concern, but they should only give advice, and only when advice is asked for.
Dunno, is the picture/sculpture simply being used as an object for sexual pleasure? If so, then yes, it’s pornography.
I see. So it is the viewer who makes the distinction. In other words, it totally subjective. By the way, I rather doubt that it is the actual object which is the target of the sexual activity… fetishism might be an exception. But if that is the case, then a “shoe” might be pornographic.
And I don’t really know all that much about the “Great Castration,” though if it is what it sounds like, I guess I’m not in principle against it (which isn’t to say that I wholeheartedly and without qualification endorse it).
It was the systematic vandalism performed by the church. The exposed male organs were chiseled off from the statues of antiquity.
There’s my answer, now can we please stop with the “Woe is me, why won’t anyone answer my questions?” act?
I appreciate your answer.
And I’m saying that whatever conceptual differences there are, the line is not so clear cut in reality.
Few things are. But, as usual, the devil is in the details.
Perhaps I should add the qualification that said content must be used as a means of deriving sexual pleasure.
The same problem as above. Different people will view the same object in a different manner. Which makes the distinction between “porn” and “erotic art” next to impossible to draw.
Your comment seemed to be pretty well in line with your first in this thread:
And that is not a coincidence. Whatever two people do in the privacy of their home, it is their business, as long as that activity does not endanger others.
Interacting with the argument I gave instead of simply disagreeing with the conclusion would be appreciated.
Yes, indeed. Since I frequently complain about the “one liner dismissals”, you are absolutely right that I should adhere to my own standards. So here comes:

I disagree with your premise of “well-ordered” and “non-viceful desire”. Consent is consent. In Germany a few years ago two people agreed, that one will kill the other and cannibalize him. The event happened by mutual agreement - so it was their decision. We might feel disgust, but that does not make the consent invalid.
Did you miss the part where I talked about the effects being manifest in public and the society at large? With that point in mind, this entire story becomes irrelevant.
So if someone watches a “porn” movie in his own house, then you have no problem with that? How do you decide if the effects are public and concerns the society at large?
 
So if someone watches a “porn” movie in his own house, then you have no problem with that? How do you decide if the effects are public and concerns the society at large?
If you had consulted the sources I listed, you wouldn’t be asking this question. 🤷
 
They shouldn’t be watching it. No-one is going to argue against that. Just like children shouldn’t drink whisky or use chainsaws. Because some might doesn’t mean we should ban them. We should make sure access is restricted.

We have a duty of care which is a different matter to the case in point.
As the articles I listed prove, the caring is in the effects of porn addiction on children through the addiction of their parents, siblings, and older friends. We cannot care for the children without caring what is imposed on the children by their cultural exposure, which today is pathetic.
 
Make sure the men and women in the adult industry are tested regularly for diseases. Maybe form a union for them. Stop making sex = bad a way of thought. Sex /= baby making only. That is all I can think of right now.
 
That seems to go back to a subjective aspect of the issue; that same sculpture will probably be viewed differently by the people that look upon it. Some might admire the work of the artist, some might look at it and admire human form in general, some might look at it and enter into sexual fantasize. Not that a full clothed statue would stop one from fantasizing.

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This reminded me of the story behind a popular french sculpture, I cant recall the name of it or the sculptor, but it was around early 1800s, (if I remember correctly), this famous sculptor wanted to do a piece on the most beautiful female in the country, I read the search took awhile, many auditioned for it, but in the end, a 14 yr old girl was chosen, once his piece was finished, everyone loved it, he received a lot of credit for it, even though the piece was of her in a robe, and her chest was exposed.

If that had happened today, I doubt many people would be celebrating or praising him, in fact, Id bet, once they found out the age of the girl, law enforcement would probably arrest him, men and women from all over would be calling for him to be sent to prison for decades, etc etc.

Just goes to show you, one persons ‘porn’ is anothers ‘masterpiece work of art’, and the more time that goes by, society is tending to view the human body as nasty, dirty, something they need to shield their kids eyes from.
 
Just goes to show you, one persons ‘porn’ is anothers ‘masterpiece work of art’,
Yes, this is correct.
and the more time that goes by, society is tending to view the human body as nasty, dirty, something they need to shield their kids eyes from.
Only certain societies. As the phrase goes: “In America sex is an obsession. Everywhere else it’s a simple fact of life”.

There are quite a few people who confuse erotic art with soft-porn and hard-porn.
 
Only certain societies. As the phrase goes: “In America sex is an obsession. Everywhere else it’s a simple fact of life”.

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Yep, this is why the porn industry was born and headquartered in the US, this is the nation most of the worlds ‘evil’ originates…Greed, lust, etc…what other nation ‘caters’ to nearly all the deadly sins to the degree the US does?
 
Yep, this is why the porn industry was born and headquartered in the US, this is the nation most of the worlds ‘evil’ originates…Greed, lust, etc…what other nation ‘caters’ to nearly all the deadly sins to the degree the US does?
That is how the Muslim extremists assert: “America is the Great Satan”.

What about ancient India and Japan, and the rest of the Oriental countries? Where all those “sinful” actions were practiced? True, there were no movies back then, but the overall behavior was exactly what you consider pornographic.

Brothels were abound - in Europe, too - any kind of sexual behavior was considered normal, and it did not have to be consensual either. Contrast that with the Bible, where the victorious Israelites were COMMANDED to take the virgins of the conquered tribes and take them for their own gratification. Was that not “porn”?
 
. . . the Bible, where the victorious Israelites were COMMANDED to take the virgins of the conquered tribes and take them for their own gratification. . .
Been through it a few times but it seems that my approach is rather haphazard.
Missed that part. Book, Chapters and verses please. Much obliged.
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Yep, this is why the porn industry was born and headquartered in the US, this is the nation most of the worlds ‘evil’ originates…Greed, lust, etc…what other nation ‘caters’ to nearly all the deadly sins to the degree the US does?
Aren’t you the most Christian nation that western civilisation has seen? Something wrong here, surely…
 
Aren’t you the most Christian nation that western civilisation has seen? Something wrong here, surely…
What’s wrong is that anybody should ever claim we are the most Christian nation the world has ever see. Even so, there may be more Christians here than anywhere else in the world at present. 🤷

Yet many of them are perfunctory Christians as opposed to authentic ones.
 
What’s wrong is that anybody should ever claim we are the most Christian nation the world has ever see. Even so, there may be more Christians here than anywhere else in the world at present. 🤷

Yet many of them are perfunctory Christians as opposed to authentic ones.
By their works…
 
Numbers 31 1-54
Thanks.

Lol. How is it these remote passages are so well known to atheists and most of us who pray, read scripture and heed the teachings of the church never come across them?

I suppose this is what he was referring to:

“17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

Interesting.

It goes on about post-butchery purification; you’d need some heavy duty help with the PTSD. Different times for sure.

So what are we to make of this?

Reading this with Christ in your heart, what you hear is how we are to treat sin within ourselves.
That within us that offends God, offends love must be destroyed.
Here the image of sin is of the men and women of Midian. The male children representing small sins that in time grow to destroy the person. The female children, in purity, there is hope of new life.
If anything it is a condemnation of porn.

We see reflections of our beliefs, I suppose.
 
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