How to forgive Pope Francis

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Although, to be honest, the more I live under this Pope as a Catholic,
the more I’m confused by him. But that’s for another thread.
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So, you don’t think that’s a serious problem - - that the pope says things that are confusing to the faithful? i.e. harmful to the Church?
 
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Also I’m throwing in Genuine Elvish Rope!
 
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Oh, I do have serious problems with it. But I’m confused as to whether Pope Francis is doing it deliberately or whether he just doesn’t think too deeply into it.
 
Well how could it be accidental?! Does he not realize that he’s being quoted by world media - especially when he says something a bit “off”?
 
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I’m not sure I’d say he’s a living saint…I don’t know him personally or know too much of what he has done.
But people shouldn’t bear grudges and what not.
Good to forgive others.
Imagine if you were forgiven your large debt but then nearly kill this other person for their debt against you, to paraphrase our Lord.
 
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Seriously though, why would the pope insult Catholic families with many children?
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Well, this is close to what I was hoping in terms of bringing forth questions. As best as I can tell, this is what he said:

“Some think, and excuse the term, that to be good Catholics, they must be like rabbits,”

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/new...tholics-must-practice-responsible-parenthood/

2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:
Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another’s statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.
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So, we are to first look at what he said in a favorable way. If you were to make the same statement, why would you have said it, given that you would have had good intent?

First, let’s look at intent, and look at the CCC:
 
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I’m not sure I’d say he’s a living saint…I don’t know him personally or know too much of what he has done.

But people shouldn’t bear grudges and what not.

Good to forgive others.

Imagine if you were forgiven your large debt but then nearly kill this other person for their debt against you, to paraphrase our Lord.
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What if people in Church leadership are harming the Church? Whether it’s confusing teaching or child abuse, or Magdalen laundries? Are we not allowed to speak up, or would people here consider that “bearing a grudge”?!
 
Definitely speak up.
Jesus was fine calling the religious leaders hypocrites and a den of vipers and all.
Told the disciples to listen to what they say but not do what they do.
 
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Look at it this way, if Conservative Pope Emeritus Benedict is not raising holy hell about him then why should we? Everything gets ironed out in the end. Go have a beer and a fine cigar next to your fireplace.
 
Sorry, no. Didn’t mean to suggest that. I was just trying to make the point that church leaders have a huge responsibility, and we as Church members have a right and an obligation to speak out against leadership that is perhaps leading church members astray.
 
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What if people in Church leadership are harming the Church? Whether it’s confusing teaching or child abuse, or Magdalen laundries? Are we not allowed to speak up, or would people here consider that “bearing a grudge”?!
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We are aloud to “speak up”, for sure. I person can speak up with a forgiving heart. If they are not ready to forgive, that is something that will hopefully be brought forth. I hope you can respond to my first reply to you, for that is what I wanted for this thread.🙂
 
Thanks - - that is the most obvious thing I could think of that HH has said that is polarizing. Don’t you think that HH has an obligation to speak carefully? His off-the-cuff remarks are harming the church, I believe.
 
Canon 212 §3. According to the knowledge, competence, and prestige which they possess, they have the right and even at times the duty to manifest to the sacred pastors their opinion on matters which pertain to the good of the Church and to make their opinion known to the rest of the Christian faithful, without prejudice to the integrity of faith and morals, with reverence toward their pastors, and attentive to common advantage and the dignity of persons.
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There’s a lot of qualifiers there regarding making our opinions known “on matters which pertain to the good of the Church”. Even if we have issues, I think we need to be very discerning about how we voice those issues.
 
Gotta go to work soon - - and no fireplace either. Is that holy poverty?
 
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