How To Get To Heaven

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About How Can One Find the True Bible Believing Church as Posted in the “How to Get To Heaven” Tract that Frodo posted at the begining of this thread.
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I have seen this approach many times. The last time at the State Fair actually. Anyway they convert a person on the spot using this method, then tell the new believer who is usually inexperienced in the Bible
Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.
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My Question is to Frodo and all others concerned. How Does a new believer (or old believer) find this Bible Believing Church and know that it has the True Interpretaion and Is teaching in Spirit and Truth especially if you are a new Christian and don’t know the Bible well. I also know that there are seasoned Christians here who are very well versed in the Bible and would like to know how they found their particular Church.

I would love to know Fodos jouney, Misslollipops and anyone esle who would like to give their personal story or view.

Please go to new thread to post. I don’t want to hijack this thread.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
By including works into salvation, they preach another gospel. The bible clearly says that it is without works, yet they ignore those plain, overwheming verses and focus on a very select few that are really saying that if you have real faith, you will have works. The evidence is overwheming scripturally that it is without works of righeousness.

Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

The washing in this verse comes from the Lord inside the man, not outside the man.
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Jesus included works with salvation - or doesn’t your Bible have Matthew 25 in it?

Catholics do NOT NOT NOT believe that their own works apart from God can do diddly-squat. Any and every good work (not works of the law) that we do is God working through us.

The washing of regeneration does indeed come from the Lord, and He does this in water baptism. Just like the Bible says. Thanks for agreeing with your brothers and sisters in the Catholic Church on that. 👍
 
Pixie_Dust said:
Catholics do NOT NOT NOT believe that their own works apart from God can do diddly-squat. Any and every good work (not works of the law) that we do is God working through us.
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Whenever some people hear the word “works,” they automatically interpret it as “salvation by works.” So when a Catholic discusses how works are involved in salvation, the immediate reply is, “We cannot earn our salvation by works!” Which is true, and Catholics agree. They just don’t hear what we are saying about the role of works because all they hear is the word “works” and they stop listening.
 
Gamera said:
Whenever some people hear the word “works,” they automatically interpret it as “salvation by works.” So when a Catholic discusses how works are involved in salvation, the immediate reply is, “We cannot earn our salvation by works!” Which is true, and Catholics agree. They just don’t hear what we are saying about the role of works because all they hear is the word “works” and they stop listening.
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Isn’t it funny how all the people who quote Ephesians 2:8-9 seem to conveniently forget that St Paul also wrote Ephesians 2:10.

Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Methodists, Pentecostals, etc…(I know I’m forgetting someone, you know who you are!) even those elusive Non-Denominational Christians are all saved the same way. By GRACE. God’s GRACE gives us FAITH, and FAITH WORKS or it is DEAD. God’s GRACE is poured out on us in baptism, in confession, in the Eucharist, and every day in a thousand different ways; and GRACE flows out from us as we are feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, and caring for the poor, widow and orphan.
 
dbacks5439 said:
Hi, I just glanced at this thread and I apologize in advance if the point I’m making has already been made.

Why do evangelicals like Joel Osteen always tell us that if we don’t say this prayer, we won’t be saved? If we do pray this prayer, we are saved but then they tell us that we need to attend a bible-believing church. Well, correct me if I’m wrong, but if we’re saved, why do I need to go to church? What’s the point?
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Read eph 4:7-16
 
misslollipops said:
Read eph 4:7-16
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[7] But grace was given to each of us according to the measure of Christ’s gift.
[8] Therefore it is said, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives,
and he gave gifts to men.”
[9] (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower parts of the earth?
[10] He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)
[11] And his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers,
[12] to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
[13] until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ;
[14] so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the cunning of men, by their craftiness in deceitful wiles.
[15] Rather, speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in every way into him who is the head, into Christ,
[16] from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by every joint with which it is supplied, when each part is working properly, makes bodily growth and upbuilds itself in love.
 
Thanks for the text ChurchMilitant.
misslollipops said:
Read eph 4:7-16
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I don’t see exactly where that answers the question of if we’re already saved (and assured of heaven), then why bother go to church, though.

Where does the Bible state the term “faith alone”?
 
I have prayed that prayer, when I was laxed in the faith.

However praying that prayer will not save you. Accepting Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour will not save you either- believe me. This is because we have a free will to reject Him on a daily basis by committing a mortal sin. Once you commit a mortal sin you have lost your salvation- and the only way to get it back is through confessing it to a priest.

The Church decided this issue long ago, shame YOU were not there back then to enlighten them that they got it all wrong.

Ken
 
ChrisWRIT said:
Thanks for the text ChurchMilitant.

I don’t see exactly where that answers the question of if we’re already saved (and assured of heaven), then why bother go to church, though.

Where does the Bible state the term “faith alone”?
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If you have the Holy Spirit in you, you have gifts of the HS.
Those gifts are for the edification of the body of Christ.
Each person has gifts. If you are not in a church, that body is is missing out on your unique gifts. And you are missing out on benefitting from anothers gifts.
There are also other reasons to be in a church such as growing in maturity in the faith and accountability.
 
misslollipops said:
If you have the Holy Spirit in you, you have gifts of the HS.
Those gifts are for the edification of the body of Christ.
Each person has gifts. If you are not in a church, that body is is missing out on your unique gifts. And you are missing out on benefitting from anothers gifts.
There are also other reasons to be in a church such as growing in maturity in the faith and accountability.
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Really? Then you are not a Pentecostal? Just curious.🙂
 
misslollipops said:
No.
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Thought so, since they generally teach that whole “must be baptized with the Holy Spirit” to have the gifts thing, right?

Question: Many that I have talked to who take your position have told me that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ended with the death of St. John, the last apostle.

Do you also hold that belief as well?
 
Church_Militant said:
Thought so, since they generally teach that whole “must be baptized with the Holy Spirit” to have the gifts thing, right?

Question: Many that I have talked to who take your position have told me that the gifts of the Holy Spirit ended with the death of St. John, the last apostle.

Do you also hold that belief as well?
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Gifts are still around
 
If there is any Christian in history that would be sure of their salvation(OSAS), wouldn’t you think it would be Paul? Even Paul knows that one can lose their salvation.

1 Cor. 9:27 - No, I drive my body and train it, for fear that, after having preached to others, I myself should be disqualified.
 
Wasn’t Paul also near the end of his life when he said this?

If so (and I could be mistaken) wouldn’t that be further proof that th person so many quote to ‘prove’ OSAS, didn’t even believe he was assured salvation, even after everything he had done, and at the end of his life…

In Christ
 
Ahhh…one of the great paradoxes that make no sense at all to me.

If God really is pure love and compassion, how could he even CONSIDER sending someone to ETERNAL torture? You could say that if you have sin then you’ll be impure and that impurity prevents the pure God from accepting you, but what happened to “he is forgiving and loving?”

So, seeing this paradox, I feel that God is love and not judgemental at all. So, we could come to a few conclusions. 1. Hell is not real.
  1. We only go to hell if we choose to, but can back out at anytime and ask for forgiveness from God, and God, being God would accept us into heaven.
Going on Conclusion 2., this would contradict another point in the Bible. 2. means that we ultimately judge ourselves, not God.

Just some food for thought.
 
Someone in hell goes to hell because they choose it. No one on this earth is Forced to go to hell. When we choose to sin, it’s just that a choice. We had a choice to do what is right, and a choice to ignore what God wants. When we choose to sin, we are saying to God, I know what you want for me, but I don’t want that, I want this instead.

God does not send anyone to hell because he is cruel and unjust, he sends people to hell because they choose that over him…

The problem is, people don’t know what they have until its gone. People don’t realize that while still on Earth, God was offering them every chance and then some for them to turn to him and follow him. He even sent his son to die for us, in our place so that the law of the OT can be fulfilled.

The pain and torment spoke of are often considered torment because we are separated from God… Not because Hell is some strange S&M playground

Like it or not, our judgment comes not because we were bad people, but because we choose to live a life dedicated to ourselves, and not to God. If on Earth we choose ourselves over God, why would we be any different then.

In Christ
 
heisenburg said:
Someone in hell goes to hell because they choose it. No one on this earth is Forced to go to hell.
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My point exactly…if we CHOOSE to go to hell, then God isn’t judging us, we are judging ourselves…so the Bible is contradicting itself either way.
 
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