How to Marry an Idiot

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Never-marrieds talking down to married people about the value or meaning in their wedding days? Nope, I’m not complimentary towards that behavior.

When did I grossly generalize never-married people?
The three people who you disagreed with did not state their marital status. If I recall two of them are married.

Yet you assumed they were never married.

What is the reason behind this assumption?

Now if I was correct and they were indeed married would their opinion hold more weight than if they were never married?
 
The three people who you disagreed with did not state their marital status. If I recall two of them are married.

Yet you assumed they were never married.

What is the reason behind this assumption?

Now if I was correct and they were indeed married would their opinion hold more weight than if they were never married?
Its not a statement on their opinion. Its wrong either way. But it’s extremely obnoxious for unmarried people to say things like that.
 
Its not a statement on their opinion. Its wrong either way. But it’s extremely obnoxious for unmarried people to say things like that.
Very well.

I respect your view. I too find it obnoxious when people who don’t know any better try to act as a know it all.
 
Why is this directed at me? I agree with you and lived with my husband for six months before we were married. Soon after, I was led to the church through him and we had our marriage convalidated.
Nope! Not directed at anyone in particular. Sometimes I get so irritated with those who are much more rule driven than Gospel driven that my tone is just as judgemental as those I’m ranting against. Young adults are living together (as well as middle aged couples) at extremely high rates according to the last census. I called my daughter during lunch and asked her if she thought that living with her boyfriend for the past two+ years id’s a mortal sin. She said no (obviously!) that she thinks that conflating living with someone you love and murder as both mortal sins is just ridiculous. Yes, she did have a really good hand on the Catechism, Catholic school through 8th grade then undergrad and law school. Her peer group are much more engaged in social justice scared issues such as racism, sexism, Xenophobic actions and homophobia. I dont forsee future generations as being much different.
 
Nope! Not directed at anyone in particular. Sometimes I get so irritated with those who are much more rule driven than Gospel driven that my tone is just as judgemental as those I’m ranting against. Young adults are living together (as well as middle aged couples) at extremely high rates according to the last census. I called my daughter during lunch and asked her if she thought that living with her boyfriend for the past two+ years id’s a mortal sin. She said no (obviously!) that she thinks that conflating living with someone you love and murder as both mortal sins is just ridiculous. Yes, she did have a really good hand on the Catechism, Catholic school through 8th grade then undergrad and law school. Her peer group are much more engaged in social justice scared issues such as racism, sexism, Xenophobic actions and homophobia. I dont forsee future generations as being much different.
It will change. Moral values are cyclical, although once the civil state has become involved, many decades may be required.

I regret that offense was taken about anything said on this subject. I don’t recall any points made originally about conversion after marriage. I agree that conversion can change almost anything.

I do believe that live-in lovering and subsequent fairytale weddings make no sense and I stand by what I wrote.

Again, I apologize if offense was taken, none was intended. Sayonara, I’m out of here.

ICXC NIKA.
 
Oh no, I wouldn’t say that. But you do need to understand that your wedding was meaningless, a waste of money, devoid of joy, and a shallow social display.

So says the choir of never-marrieds.:rolleyes:
:rolleyes: yourself. Of course, we never marrieds are just bitter. I admit I do struggle to express sympathy for a widow of ten plus years on her wedding anniversary but that is as far as it goes.
 
It will change. Moral values are cyclical, although once the civil state has become involved, many decades may be required.

I regret that offense was taken about anything said on this subject. I don’t recall any points made originally about conversion after marriage. I agree that conversion can change almost anything.

I do believe that live-in lovering and subsequent fairytale weddings make no sense and I stand by what I wrote.

Again, I apologize if offense was taken, none was intended. Sayonara, I’m out of here.

ICXC NIKA.
It can change right now - for anyone.

Ed
 
While I understand where you are coming from, we can still celebrate that this couple has chosen to regularize their situation. While we might not be happy about the road they took, we can at least be happy that they chose to get onto the right one. They may still have further to go. But anyway, every time an irregular union turns regular, we have cause to celebrate. The lost sheep is (at least a little, little bit) on their way home.
But did they? According to the article’s author’s opinion, they didn’t make the right choice. They settled. (Of course not all cohabitating couples are like that, but I’m merely commenting on the said situation of the article)

I’m really not convinced people agreeing to do something makes them sheep on their way home. Its still lukewarm. Its a nice gesture, but without the conviction behind it, its not worth much. A person can rattle off a prayer in front of a congregation to fit in and not cause a stir, but it does not mean they are on their way ‘home’. I guess you can look at the glass half full in this, but I don’t even see it half empty or half full- its just, I don’t know… blaah.
 
While I understand where you are coming from, we can still celebrate that this couple has chosen to regularize their situation. While we might not be happy about the road they took, we can at least be happy that they chose to get onto the right one. They may still have further to go. But anyway, every time an irregular union turns regular, we have cause to celebrate. The lost sheep is (at least a little, little bit) on their way home.
As much as we can be happy that they finally got married, to throw a big party is sending the message ‘there is no consequence to sin’. If a couple lives together, and then has a change or heart and quit living together until they are married, that shows repentance and then I would attend the big wedding. But to just live together and get married without showing any repentance or remorse, is not something I will celebrate

Angie
 
Oh no, I wouldn’t say that. But you do need to understand that your wedding was meaningless, a waste of money, devoid of joy, and a shallow social display.

So says the choir of never-marrieds.:rolleyes:
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I get your sarcasm here, but that is part of what I am fighting against:   the loss of the sacred.
Its not possible to argue that with someone who is devoted to their atheistic ideas as I can’t convince you of the existence of the sacred. Please keep in mind we were discussing the article and what it discussed.
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If two people marry and are duly committed, I'm not talking about you nor am I talking about having the wedding in a church, or any religious setting.   I'm talking about loss of the sacred.   Making holy things mundane.  Catholicism isn't the only religion out there that upholds that ideal:  in fact its MOST religions have upheld the sanctity of marriage.   That has been lost.
Why are you having a wedding if you fornicated for years before? You are having a party, not a wedding. Of course that can be fun and joyful and make happy memories that are lasting, but its not sacred until hearts are converted.
 
I guess those of us who converted after marriage should just go jump in a lake, then.:rolleyes:
AClaire, when you converted, did it not cause a bloom in the love in your marriage?

Look, I was not converted to Christ when I had my Confirmation- I went through the motions, it was a memory, it was something I did, and yes, it was an event of my life, but I did not really know the true meaning of it or understand it fully until I had my conversion and I wanted to weep that I did not know what I did at that time, but I was still thankful I was Confirmed- just took me years to catch up. It wasn’t meaningful as it should have been- meaning, it was just something I did because it was the thing to do- I did not have full understanding at that time. I feel as though I could have given so much more. My heart was not full, and it could have been at that time. I missed out.

My frustration is about people missing out and I’m impatient! I want people to know that joy, not send the wrong message that mediocrity is what God hands out. Please also see my response to Blue Eyed Girl above as well.
 
There is a certain irreverence to a couple who just sees marriage as “the next step” after living together and sleeping with each other. That I see.

At the same time, there is an absolute beauty to a couple who realizes their irregular state and chooses to marry to remedy it - though they may have sinned in the past. This also seems clear to me.

And even if a couple does not fully understand what a marriage is, God’s grace can still work in their hearts.
 
And several who agreed.🤷 If I remember correctly, she and Ed are unmarried, and I don’t know about Geddie. Regardless, even if I’m wrong on their status, it was still a terribly ugly thing to say. When you make gross and insulting generalizations like that, you never know who you’re talking about. In this case, she spit on the marriage of a fellow Catholic who converted after her wedding.

Situations like this are exactly why the Catholic church insists on charity and speaking with love, btw.
Why are you here? To insult Catholics and their beliefs? That is what you are doing to me! I’m allowed to be upset at seeing wrongdoing according to my faith.

I said I abhored weddings where people cohabitated for years… I did not say I abhorred the people. I can hate the sin but love the sinner. The very reason why I abhor it is because I love God and I love his creation. I want what is best for them and people going the route as pointed out in the article are selling themselves short. Seeing people settle and believe what the world touts as ok makes me angry because it spreads more sin. It becomes common place and less and less people are happy and the first person they blame is GOD, and thus chalk it all up to bunk.
Then again, I can't argue with you because you don't believe in God.
 
Why are you here? To insult Catholics and their beliefs? That is what you are doing to me! I’m allowed to be upset at seeing wrongdoing according to my faith.

I said I abhored weddings where people cohabitated for years… I did not say I abhorred the people. I can hate the sin but love the sinner. The very reason why I abhor it is because I love God and I love his creation. I want what is best for them and people going the route as pointed out in the article are selling themselves short. Seeing people settle and believe what the world touts as ok makes me angry because it spreads more sin. It becomes common place and less and less people are happy and the first person they blame is GOD, and thus chalk it all up to bunk.
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Then again,  I can't argue with you because you don't believe in God.
Hey now, no need to get after the nice lady like that, even if she is an atheist.

For what it’s worth, her reaction was pretty similar to my initial one, and I’m Catholic and a virgin.
 


Situations like this are exactly why the Catholic church insists on charity and speaking with love, btw.
God is not a God of “niceness”… Charity and love have nothing to do with making sure you are NICE. That’s the world’s way. Sometimes love comes in the form I let out, just as a father can yell at a child for not obeying him, especially if the situation was dangerous or possibly hurtful to his child. IT comes from love.

If you don’t fight on behalf of something you believe in you don’t really love it. I love the beauty of the sanctity of marriage, the way I understand God meant it to be.
 
Hey now, no need to get after the nice lady like that, even if she is an atheist.

For what it’s worth, her reaction was pretty similar to my initial one, and I’m Catholic and a virgin.
No attack, simply a statement- but even another poster felt as such… both she and I felt BEL was insulting me.
 
AnneElizabeth, I’ve thought that for years. A wedding is to celebrate the joining of two individuals to create an entirely new family. It’s not about the decorations or open bar or fancy table settings. People spend a ridiculous amount of time and money on a party, essentially, that lasts a few hours instead of investing that time and effort into preparation for the marriage–what follows the wedding is really what is important and ‘should’ be the couple’s main focus.

My brother lived with his girlfriend for years and when they were officially engaged I did my best to pretend to be happy. But year after year passed, and the girl wanted a huge party, open bar, a DJ, the works. She was so obsessed with showing off to and partying with her friends; I just couldn’t understand it. Well, of course the wedding never happened; my brother was in a terrible accident and had a severe traumatic brain injury after which she left and couldn’t (or didn’t want to) handle ‘real life’.

As for me, I did want a beautiful dress, which I found used in excellent condition, having only been worn once before. The rest: I couldn’t care less and was just fine using a He church I attended at the time, having the reception in the lower level of the church with simple food, using the church decorations, keeping bridesmaid dresses simple and inexpensive, and I didn’t care about the cake. During the six months of planning, my husband to be did most of the wedding planning as I suffered from debilitating headaches. Three weeks before the wedding I had a brain tumor removed and was diagnosed with a cancer disease and more tumors. By the time the wedding day arrived, I was happy to have my beloved daddy walk me down the aisle and join my life officially to my amazing husband and I honestly couldn’t get out of there fast enough! Nearly everyone, including the tough men in attendance, said they were crying the whole time and it was the most beautiful wedding they’d ever been to. Now, of course much of that was due to the fact I nearly died and had a horrible diagnosis, but also we were 99% focused on being married and 1% (if that!) focused on the wedding event itself. That was sixteen and a half years ago, and the event that had deepest meaning for both my husband and I was our convalidation around four years ago, after we became Catholic. My marriage has been the greatest blessing in my life.

Allll of this to say: I completely agree that cohabitation essentially destroys any joy a wedding would bring. And I won’t get started on the showers and parties and registries and gift expectations. Yikes. Both my husband and I had our own homes prior to getting married and while we didn’t have the best of everything, collectively had what we needed. People still gifted us with generosity and we received some beautiful (and some bizarre!) gifts as well as enough cash to buy a bedroom set. But we certainly had no expectations of getting anything.
Thank you for sharing your beautiful story.
 
There is a certain irreverence to a couple who just sees marriage as “the next step” after living together and sleeping with each other. That I see.

At the same time, there is an absolute beauty to a couple who realizes their irregular state and chooses to marry to remedy it - though they may have sinned in the past. This also seems clear to me.

And even if a couple does not fully understand what a marriage is, God’s grace can still work in their hearts.
That’s why Marriage Preparation is so important. Marriage is no mystery, and you can find out what it means, now.

Ed
 
There is a certain irreverence to a couple who just sees marriage as “the next step” after living together and sleeping with each other. That I see.

At the same time, there is an absolute beauty to a couple who realizes their irregular state and chooses to marry to remedy it - though they may have sinned in the past. This also seems clear to me.

And even if a couple does not fully understand what a marriage is, God’s grace can still work in their hearts.
I agree with you fully here, that may come to surprise a lot of people here, but this is not the scenario that the article was presenting.
 
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