How to re-educate so that people will understand about abortion?

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allhers said:
Isn’t isn’t my post that is twisted, its your thinking.
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You proclaimed what I believed and what I did not. You told me what I never believed and what I would have done had I believed something. That was a blatant attack on me which was completely unsupported by anything I have said here or anywhere else.
 
Drawmack said:
You proclaimed what I believed and what I did not. You told me what I never believed and what I would have done had I believed something. That was a blatant attack on me which was completely unsupported by anything I have said here or anywhere else.
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Another poster on another thread around here somewhere was looking for a donkey to talk to, I think I might have found one for her.😃
 
Drawmack said:
That was a blatant attack on me which was completely unsupported by anything I have said here or anywhere else.
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Seems the pot is now trying to call the kettle black.

How about you recant your false accusations against the Catholic church and we will look a little more closely at what you believe is a wrong done to you.
 
Drawmack said:
And, the provided list of excommunicable offenses (posted earlier in the thread) includes abortion but does not include raping children. Therefore, those who keep telling me I’m wrong should really study the rules of the Catholic Church a little bit more thoroughly.

You want my honest opinion. The six year old would be better off murdered than raped, especially being raped for 3 years. Do you have any idea the life long damage and suffering sexual abuse unleashes on an innocent child. They would be better off dead.
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What I said above was just MY opinion of course, we can all clearly see what YOUR opinion is, you said it was your honest opinion too.

So, when I replied to it, you suddenly get all defensive and try to squirm out of it. Well hey, you said it and I disagree with you. You don’t have a problem telling us your opinion about the Church, so why do you have a problem hearing our opinion about what you say?
 
allhers said:
What I said above was just MY opinion of course, we can all clearly see what YOUR opinion is, you said it was your honest opinion too.

So, when I replied to it, you suddenly get all defensive and try to squirm out of it. Well hey, you said it and I disagree with you. You don’t have a problem telling us your opinion about the Church, so why do you have a problem hearing our opinion about what you say?
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You presumed to tell me what I believed about something I never even mentioned let alone professed a belief in. I am not squirming out of anything, you presumed my beliefs on something I never mentioned.
 
Drawmack said:
You presumed to tell me what I believed about something I never even mentioned let alone professed a belief in. I am not squirming out of anything, you presumed my beliefs on something I never mentioned.
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What the heck are you talking about? We are discussing how to re-educate people so that they will understand about abortion and then you come along and try to tell all of us how wrong you believe the Church is.

Then you say that you think that little girl in Brazil would be better off dead then having to deal with a life of sexual abuse and when I reply to that, you suddenly try to say that isn’t what you said, I linked to your own post…
it is what you said.

You accused me of twisting your words, how did I twist your words when I quoted your own post?

So, care to explain what in tarnation you are talking about NOW??
 
allhers said:
What the heck are you talking about? We are discussing how to re-educate people so that they will understand about abortion and then you come along and try to tell all of us how wrong you believe the Church is.

Then you say that you think that little girl in Brazil would be better off dead then having to deal with a life of sexual abuse and when I reply to that, you suddenly try to say that isn’t what you said, I linked to your own post…
it is what you said.

You accused me of twisting your words, how did I twist your words when I quoted your own post?

So, care to explain what in tarnation you are talking about NOW??
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In post 711, you told me what I believed about the Eucharist. I never even mentioned the Eucharist, let alone professed a belief or disbelief in the Church’s teachings of it. You took what I said about leaving the Church and jumped to the conclusion that I never believed in the real presence when I have not even mentioned what I believe about the real presence. When I called you on this you went back and quoted my original statement that the little girl would be better off dead than living with the psychological trauma she is living with now – never mind that in intervening posts I have already explained my statement. If a 6 year old girl, who were baptized (as this girl was), were killed they would be in heaven partaking of the beatific vision. You are claiming that it is better she live a tormented life than that she be in heaven. I’m not squirming out of anything. To answer the question I was asked (I’m not sure if you posed it or not) it would have been better for the little girl if her step-father had sent her to heaven than for her step-father to make her live with hell on earth. That is my belief. You can challenge me if you want to, but challenge me on the merits of my explanation and not one other things.
 
royal_archer said:
all murder is a sin but that does not mean priests are expected to be forensics experts or experts on legal matters.
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I’m not talking about a priest making an exposition on the merits, or demerits, of forensics or legalities. I’m talking about a priest making a statement about how one should approach a discourse on the topic of abortion. If a priest, while promoting themselves as a priest, talks about issues of morality and how we should approach those issues this in not simply the opinion of another person, this is the opinion of an authority figure within the Catholic Church, this is the opinion of a member of the teaching magisterium. My original statement was that members of the magisterium are … If a priest does … and I say members of the magisterium are doing … then I am correct or am I missing something?
 
Drawmack said:
You proclaimed what I believed and what I did not. You told me what I never believed and what I would have done had I believed something. That was a blatant attack on me which was completely unsupported by anything I have said here or anywhere else.
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Oh, so I was suppose to figure all of that out when you said this in response, right?
(the above is you calling me on that right?)

You might try to be more clear in what you are talking about.

You missed a lot of other things I said on my post (711) too.
 
Drawmack said:
I’m not talking about a priest making an exposition on the merits, or demerits, of forensics or legalities. I’m talking about a priest making a statement about how one should approach a discourse on the topic of abortion. If a priest, while promoting themselves as a priest, talks about issues of morality and how we should approach those issues this in not simply the opinion of another person, this is the opinion of an authority figure within the Catholic Church, this is the opinion of a member of the teaching magisterium. My original statement was that members of the magisterium are … If a priest does … and I say members of the magisterium are doing … then I am correct or am I missing something?
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Not all priests are PR specialist either.
 
royal_archer said:
Not all priests are PR specialist either.
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When a priest gives a homily are they speaking on matters of faith and morals in a public venue? Are priests trained on how to present homilies on all sorts of topics, including difficult ones, in seminary?
 
allhers said:
Oh, so I was suppose to figure all of that out when you said this in response, right?
(the above is you calling me on that right?)

You might try to be more clear in what you are talking about.

You missed a lot of other things I said on my post (711) too.
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If you would care to rephrase the points you were making in post 711, leave out the personal attacks, and apologize for your presumptuous statements about my beliefs (which you have no way of determining the accuracy of) then I will respond to your points. As it stands post 711, en mass, does not deserve to be responded to.
 
Drawmack said:
In post 711, you told me what I believed about the Eucharist. I never even mentioned the Eucharist, let alone professed a belief or disbelief in the Church’s teachings of it. You took what I said about leaving the Church and jumped to the conclusion that I never believed in the** real presence **when I have not even mentioned what I believe about the real presence. When I called you on this you went back and quoted my original statement that the little girl would be better off dead than living with the psychological trauma she is living with now – never mind that in intervening posts I have already explained my statement. If a 6 year old girl, who were baptized (as this girl was), were killed they would be in heaven partaking of the beatific vision. You are claiming that it is better she live a tormented life than that she be in heaven. I’m not squirming out of anything. To answer the question I was asked (I’m not sure if you posed it or not) it would have been better for the little girl if her step-father had sent her to heaven than for her step-father to make her live with hell on earth. That is my belief. You can challenge me if you want to, but challenge me on the merits of my explanation and not one other things.
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I take one post at a time, when I replied in my post (711), I had not read your statements after that post (where you said you explained what you meant by what you said—that it would be better if she were dead because…) Everyone who replies to threads is not necessairly on the thread when the person they are replying to is. None of us live here.

I was speaking to the first post you posted where you said in your honest opinion that she would be better off dead. (I posted it above.)

I bolded above what I want to speak to in this post of yours now, (this way you will know exactly what I am referring to).

Talk about twisting someones words, that is exactly what YOU are doing NOW. I did not claim that it is better she live a life of torment. Those are YOUR words, not mine. I claim that it is better that she is alive instead of dead. (as you said she would be better off dead.)

Your belief that her life will be one of hell on earth—That is your opinion. It isn’t a fact.
When one continues to live a Sacramental life, even after such horrendous trauma, their life is one of walking with the Lord, when one unites their sufferings with the Lord for the salvation of the world, things are quite different then what you are saying. She may, for all you know, be praying for her step-fathers soul, as we all ought to be, so that he will come to repentance and not be lost for all eternity.

(In addition, the very fact that you use small caps above for the Real Presence speaks volumes.) Just MY opinion.
 
Drawmack said:
When a priest gives a homily are they speaking on matters of faith and morals in a public venue? Are priests trained on how to present homilies on all sorts of topics, including difficult ones, in seminary?
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They are well qualified to speak to their target audience, they are not perfect.
 
Drawmack said:
If you would care to rephrase the points you were making in post 711, leave out the personal attacks, and apologize for your presumptuous statements about my beliefs (which you have no way of determining the accuracy of) then I will respond to your points. As it stands post 711, en mass, does not deserve to be responded to.
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When you apologize for your personal attacks on the Church, I’ll think about it.

I happen to believe that no matter what happens to anyone who is a member of His Church, that they don’t up and leave because they don’t agree, they work from within to change things.

They pray about it, they unite their sufferings to the Lord for the salvation of the world, (as I pointed out above) and they continue to live a Sacramental life, trusting in HIM, no matter what!

I don’t think they ought to get all angry, leave and then go around throwing temper tantrams and telling everyone they encounter that the Church is wrong. What does that accomplish??
 
allhers said:
Your belief that her life will be one of hell on earth—That is your opinion. It isn’t a fact.
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You’re right it isn’t fact. Some people do recover. A little research will show you that this recovery takes years and those years are years of torment. Not to mention that she was raped for three years but this man. At the very least those three years were hell on earth. That might just be my opinion, but I’m speaking from experience and yes I would have been better off dead.
When one continues to live a Sacramental life, even after such horrendous trauma, their life is one of walking with the Lord, when one unites their sufferings with the Lord for the salvation of the world, things are quite different then what you are saying. She may, for all you know, be praying for her step-fathers soul, as we all ought to be, so that he will come to repentance and not be lost for all eternity.
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Sure she could be. I doubt it, but she could be. If she is saying any prayers they are probably thanking God for finally ending the rapes. However, I doubt that is the case. My guess is that she gave up on praying long ago when all those prayers she said to make the rape stop went unanswered for years. And again, I speak from experience here.
(In addition, the very fact that you use small caps above for the Real Presence speaks volumes.) Just MY opinion.
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Yes, my sloppy capitalization on a message board speaks as many volumes as does your lack of the possessive on the step-father’s soul on that same message board. Do not weigh to heavily on minutia of grammar on message boards it’s a dangerous road.
 
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