How to welcome people in irregular unions to the Church

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In that thread around post 80/81 you replied to a comment I made.
 
I don’t think 16 years is enough to encompass all of the theology or history that the Church contains.
 
Maybe you misunderstood - I would not participate in any communion service unless I knew I was able to participate according to that church’s rules, if you will. In the Baptist Church, the minister says that they have an “open communion” and all Christians are invited to participate. I think anyone attending a Catholic Church (even the first time) has an inkling that communion (the Eucharist) is different and what a protestant would call a “closed communion.” At any given Mass, I am not the Eucharist police. My only concern is if I am worthy to partake.
 
yankeesouth said:
In that thread around post 80/81 you replied to a comment I made.
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I just read the response I wrote. What did it have to do with disobedience? It was encouragement to help your brothers and sisters in their faith journey, since you seem to have it all buttoned up.
 
I guess the best way is through prayer. Spirituality is probably going to be more effective than some social stuff. Not only will they convert but they will good Catholics too.
 
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yankeesouth said:
Where did browbeating come into play? Please stay on topic.
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What? Deflect much? Or is that just a really sad attempt at sarcasm?

You’ve talked about obeying commandments, condemning sin, stopping people from approaching the Eucharist, identifying sin…not once have I read you say anything along the lines of most of the rest of the spiritual works of mercy other than “admonish the sinner”.

How about the rest of them? You can’t just pick one and stick with that. If you keep telling people "obey, don’t sin, don’t do this, don’t do that…’ - if they want to return to the Church they KNOW what they’ve done and they want to make it right. That’s not how you make people feel like it’s okay to repent. It’s why they run screaming from the Church.

And yes, by my mind, that’s browbeating. How about counsel, comfort, bearing wrongs patiently, forgiving all injuries? What would someone have to do so you’d “see” them as worthy of return, which isn’t really your call anyway?
 
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OsculeturMeOsculo said:
I don’t think 16 years is enough to encompass all of the theology or history that the Church contains.
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More than enough to know she’s heard of the “spiritual works of mercy”, though, which was amusing because yankeesouth pegged her as a Protestant. She’s not.
 
I don’t know Catholic education just doesn’t sound like it actually teaches anything useful. Most people tend to forget things like math skills and random history facts so I don’t know if she would remember it enough to make a decision like that.
 
Mtdobbs said:
More of a brainstorming thing here. Amoris Laetitia opened up a sore spot with some people, but the truth of the matter is there a lot of people living in irregular situations who do not feel welcome at Church. There are many Catholics and Catholic websites that vilify and condemn these people. How do we respond as the hands and feet of Christ ?
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We Catholics need to meet people at their level. BUT we should never leave them there. That is the mistake so many Catholics make. That is the problem with Amoris Latitia.
 
Admonishing, instructing and counseling are not conssidered browbeating or else Jesus wouldn’t have given us that responsibility.
 
yankeesouth said:
She identified as non Catholic.
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You pegged her as Protestant and not knowing the works of mercy. It was a bit funny to know she isn’t and does.
yankeesouth said:
The protestant personal relationship with Jesus is defficient and nothing like God intended. Perhaps you have never heard of the Spiritual works of mercy that Christ gave the Church so your insults may be excused.
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Why would you say “the protestant personal relationship” for any other reason?

Even she saw it…
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Also, there is nothing protestant about me or my views, so I would suggest not making that assumption.
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Agnostic now. Also, one doesn’t need to be Catholic to receive a Catholic education.
 
yankeesouth said:
Admonishing, instructing and counseling are not conssidered browbeating or else Jesus wouldn’t have given us that responsibility.
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You’ve read half of what I said.

What I said was this:
Pup7 said:
You’ve talked about obeying commandments, condemning sin, stopping people from approaching the Eucharist, identifying sin…not once have I read you say anything along the lines of most of the rest of the spiritual works of mercy other than “admonish the sinner”.
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If you do nothing but admonish, it becomes browbeating. It makes people feel defeated, like there is nothing they could do to correct the wrong.

All of your previous posts say nothing about any type of mercy. Just how to condemn. And block.
 
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Sorry you are wrong I’ve admonished, counseled and instructed. And I have put forth the correction that Jesus himself gave us. The Sacrament of Confession. And I have been very patient.
 
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Where have you shown any forgiveness? Not by sending them to Confession, I hope.

YOUR forgiveness. YOUR patient bearing of wrongs. YOUR comfort. Your own mercy, as you yourself also ask for mercy and receive it - not just from God, but from others. You are as much a sinner as the rest of us.

If we are one body in Christ, is the wrongdoer not a piece of us? Do we not need him or her back so we are once again one?
 
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