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whoisdiss
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Did God make like a artifical sperm cell to fertelize Mary’s egg? Did he use artifical DNA?
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JimG
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This is not something that is revealed, nor is it necessary for us to know. I think that the theological consensus is that all of Jesus’ genetic material came from Mary.
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dmar198
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I want to reiterate what JimG said about the details not being revealed to us, and therefore we cannot know how Jesus was conceived in terms of the biological sequence of events. But I do want to mention that it seems possible to me that God could have created or modified DNA in order to fashion Jesus’ body, and, in addition to the possibilities you have mentioned, a third possibility is that Jesus was a generic clone of Mary except with an X chromosome changed to a Y.
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Butaperson
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I don’t understand. If all of his genetic material came from Mary, he would be a clone. In order for him to be a different human being, it would be necessary for Mary’s DNA to combine with another set of DNA.
Of course, it was a miracle of God and we should leave it at that. But I don’t see how the theological consensus is logical.
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StevenFrancis
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To my understanding, the mechanics of it all are not really important. The father is the Holy Spirit of God. God is the creator of the universe, and can make life from nothing. As we see with the creation of man to begin with. For me, a slow and prayerful reading of the following tells me all I need to know to progress further with my Christianity. I pray that you will find your answer in here as well. May God bless and keep you always:
Luke 1:26 When the sixth month came, God sent the angel Gabriel to a city of Galilee called Nazareth, 27 where a virgin dwelt, betrothed to a man of David’s lineage; his name was Joseph, and the virgin’s name was Mary. 28 Into her presence the angel came, and said, Hail, thou who art full of grace; the ***Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women. 29 She was much perplexed at hearing him speak so, and cast about in her mind, what she was to make of such a greeting. ***30 Then the angel said to her, Mary, do not be afraid; thou hast found favour in the sight of God. 31 And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call him Jesus. 32 He shall be great, and men will know him for the Son of the most High; the Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he shall reign over the house of Jacob eternally; 33 his kingdom shall never have an end. 34 But Mary said to the angel, ***How can that be, since I have no knowledge of man? ***35 And the angel answered her, The Holy Spirit will come upon thee, and the power of the most High will overshadow thee. Thus this holy offspring of thine shall be known for the Son of God. 36 See, moreover, how it fares with thy cousin Elizabeth; she is old, yet she too has conceived a son; she who was reproached with barrenness is now in her sixth month, 37 to prove that nothing can be impossible with God. 38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; let it be unto me according to thy word. And with that the angel left her.
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Nan_S
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Surely the same God who created human DNA in the first place would not need to resort to artificial anything to create Jesus’ human body!
Jesus’ human body was a product of the same divine creative power that God used to create the very first man and woman, and every other type of life.
Only humans have to resort to using artificial means to mimic God’s creation.
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BeingSaved
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I have an idea about this, from thinking about it on my own. The bible says that the Holy Spirit ‘overshadowed Mary’.
This same word is used to describe the Holy Spirit’s work and activity during the creation of the universe and esp. earth. The text says the Holy Spirit ‘overshadowed’ or ‘brooded’ over the waters.
It was a miraculous happening, God’s dna came together with Mary’s and Jesus I believe went through all the stages of the normal human development inside Mary.
Another idea came to mind, in that- Mary
heard the Words of God to her from the angel and she received them wholeheartedly into her spirit. She accepted them with a thing called Faith.
Faith is described as something supernatural and that by Faith, miracles can happen.
Mary released this ‘faith’ thing and she received a miracle in that the Word of God slipped down inside her and ‘became flesh and blood’ the bible says.
It was a miracle. God Himself inside human flesh and blood.
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jessee_girl
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I agree with you. If God can create the world from nothing, Adam form dirt, and Eve DIRECTLY FROM ADAM (A-L-O-N-E, without another female involved), surely he can form Christ inside Mary without a male. He is God, almight, all powerful, omnipotent… He can do anything anyway and anyhow he wishes… and that is our FAITH. He does not need to depend on a human male sperm for the incarnation of His Word. If you try to sort it out with only human reasoning it may never make sense. It takes faith, period.
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jessee_girl
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Eh… God has no dna of any sort because he has no material form.
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JimG
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When Mary asked “how can this be, since I do no know man,” the angel Gabriel did not talk about genetics. The angel said (as has already been noted) “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the most High will overshadow you. Thus this holy offspring of yours shall be known as the Son of God.”
I think that this is all that God wished to convey.
I think that this is all that God wished to convey.
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Nan_S
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I think you’re confusing Mormon teaching with mainstream Christian teaching. The Mormons (some of them at least) teach that God the Father (or the Holy Spirit) used his physical God-body to have some kind of sexual contact with Mary to create Jesus.
Mainstream Christian teaching is that God is pure spirit and that the incarnation did not require sex. Human DNA is a creation of God’s, not an inherent part of God’s essence. Instead, God Spoke, Mary consented, and it happened: she was pregnant. Done.
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TimothyH
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Jesus was fully human. That means he both maternal and paternal strands of DNA. He got his maternal strand from Mary. He got is paternal strand from the Holy Spirit.
How did it happen? If God can create the universe out of nothing then he can create a strand of DNA inside Mary.
The rest is a mystery. We will find out when we die. That’s all there is to it.
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How did it happen? If God can create the universe out of nothing then he can create a strand of DNA inside Mary.
The rest is a mystery. We will find out when we die. That’s all there is to it.
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jessee_girl
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You’re right, I see your point… God must have created that male strand DNA somehow in Mary in order to complete the conception process, otherwise, Jesus would have been a clone of Mary, and if he was a clone, he would have been another Mary. Thank you for clarifying with me.
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Faith1960
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I just saw this old thread and wanted to ask if what you mean is Jesus got His y chromosome from the holy Spirit?
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thistle
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We are not to resurrect old threads especially when the originator of the thread is banned and no longer a member of the forum.
If you want to discuss the same topic start a new thread.
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prodromos
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One may as well ask how God created Eve from Adam’s flesh
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Faith1960
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I didn’t realize the OP was banned. Sorry.
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thistle
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Its not because the OP is banned. I just mentioned that. Even if he wasn’t banned this is an old thread. We are not to resurrect old threads.
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mikekle
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A similar debate comes up whenever the Nephilim are mentioned, many people say it is IMPOSSIBLE for something that is a spirit to either contribute to, or form genetic material, in order to produce a human fetus…if its impossible for the fallen angels, how was this possible?
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thistle
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Are you kidding? God can do anything!!
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