How would your spritual life react to such a new parish in your neighborhood?

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Have you asked him to attempt to make the accommodations that your previous Priest made?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I know you feel that way.

But everything that was organized way back when was to give us a full sense of immergence–including the stained glass windows.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Generally speaking, it would be nice, except for these things:
First, I don’t know about the priest singing the whole Mass. Some have good voices and some have really awful voices. I find it really distracting, if not jarring, when a priest hits a lot of false notes.
Second, where is the choir in all this? I like our parish choir.
Third, I’m not too big on “fellowshipping”. Fifteen or twenty minutes of socializing after Mass works fine for me. Those who want to engage other parishioners can. Those who don’t want to don’t feel obliged

Otherwise, I’m good to go.
 
jcrichton said:
Have you asked him to attempt to make the accommodations that your previous Priest made?

Maran atha!

Angel
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Too much work for him to say another Mass, he says. Which I’ll grant him, it is much work. His right to use incense because it makes him feel more holy. Again, no real arguments there. Just my own needs to–ya know, stay alive. I come away with the feeling he cares much more for his spiritual state of mind than his flock.

I can vote with my feet. I just feel terrible for my brethren (again, I only know of the old vets–there may be others) who are now stuck unable to attend Mass.
 
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I know that sometimes it seems we do not count… but have you considered writing a letter to the Bishop (with as many signatures from those who have health issues and cannot attend Mass because of the incense) asking for assistance… I know in a few parishes that I attended Celebrant Priest would come from other parishes to Celebrate Mass… this could be a feasible adaptation.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
A few people do not seem to know that smoke, any smoke is an asthma trigger for many so hypoallergenic incense may just not help.
I have spent the whole afternoon recovering from Mass during a really bad allergy season in a church where incense has not been used in weeks. It does get in the ventilation system and on all sufaces.
Asthma is not mind over matter. It is your airways swelling at the same time they are making more mucus.
I go to a church that uses incense for funerals and big celebrations only and I appreciate that because an asthma attack can be deadly.
 
jcrichton said:
I know that sometimes it seems we do not count… but have you considered writing a letter to the Bishop (with as many signatures from those who have health issues and cannot attend Mass because of the incense) asking for assistance… I know in a few parishes that I attended Celebrant Priest would come from other parishes to Celebrate Mass… this could be a feasible adaptation.

Maran atha!

Angel
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Since I removed myself from that parish, I will leave it to those who remain. Quite a few who can drive are now also at this parish two towns over. Their adult children and grandkids have followed them. I don’t imagine it will take much time before good ole Padre gets the message. Given the severe priest shortage, I doubt the Bishop would do much at all, but perhaps to forbid the priest–which is NOT what I want to happen.
 
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If I had to be around people who were grinning inwardly over a reader being borrowed from a Byzantine Catholic church
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Do you even have any idea what I’m talking about? Seriously, do you? This is a compliment! I am always blown away how teeny-tiny Eastern parishes can train chanters (including me) to chant the readings, yet if someone requests them in most Latin Rite parishes it’s akin to asking for a Space Shuttle launch.

If I was charged with preparing chanters for a parish, that’s precisely what I would do. I would borrow one from a Ruthenian parish (with the pastor’s knowledge) and pay that person not only to chant the readings for a period, but also to help bring some parishioners up to speed!
 
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When I was reading this I expected some terrible twist at the end. It was a pleasant surprise that this dread was misplaced.

On the question at hand, a Church is a Church. As long as it fulfills the purpose (prayer, communion, confession, etc) it will do just fine.
 
Xanthippe_Voorhees said:
No, incense is NOT a necessary part of the mass. And again, I’m not talking about anyone “demanding” I’m talking about a priest being a good shepherd, which I feel he is not.
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Yes, it pretty much is in many cases, not matter what your interpretation of the GIRM happens to be.
  • I’ve never attended an Eastern Divine Liturgy that did not use HUGE amounts of incense. Not ever.
  • I’ve never attended a Mass at my archdiocese’s cathedral that did not use incense. Not ever.
  • I’ve never attended or MCed a funeral Mass that did not use incense. Not ever.
  • I’ve never seen a Papal Mass that did not use incense. Not ever.
Like it or not, there’s real value to using incense during the Mass. If there wasn’t, it wouldn’t have been in use for ~4K years in the Judeo-Christian liturgical world. Just think how much time, effort and $$$ has been spent providing incense for the liturgy. There is real value to it.

The difference between you and I is that I would focus on a solution that was equitable to all. Be it a change in seating location, a mask, different incense, medication before the Mass, etc. I suffer from seasonal allergies (hay fever) yet I MC a fair number of funeral Masses that use incense. It used to give me a pounding headache and cause me to wheeze until I visited my doctor and he suggested I take a Benedryl tablet before any such Masses. It works and I’m more than willing to do that so I don’t have to make a fuss or feel the discomfort.

You on the other hand seem seem to demand “NO INCENSE OR I’M LEAVING!” I believe you called the use of incense “disgusting” if incense is used when someone doesn’t want it to be used in an earlier post. One thing I have noticed in a large number of parishes is how people struggle to control others and to get over on them – to get their way no matter what. I’m very sensitive to that. That’s one reason why I wouldn’t be quick to trash the sacred use of incense.
 
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It wouldn’t do the job. It would not filter all the particulate or gaseous matter.

It’s quite dangerous to advocate this. An asthmatic might go get a mask, think they are good to go, then have a potentially fatal asthma attack.

Isn’t it still against CAF rules to give medical advice.

I am flagging your recommendations .
 
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These quite clearly state in their blurbs, what they trap and don’t.

They are not adequate for the issue you and I are discussing.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
It wouldn’t do the job. It would not filter all the particulate or gaseous matter.
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You’re simply wrong. I used such a respirator when I was a welder in college. The exhaust from an arc welder (which is often right in a welder’s face) is far more toxic (heavy metals, etc.) than incense smoke. It filters all of it out.

Please don’t make such comments as these masks could truly help someone here. Better yet they should contact 3M to see if an even thinner/more comfortable mask would filter out the incense smoke.

Suggesting that it would take an air tank is ridiculous.

Please don’t lie about me again by suggesting that I gave “medical” advice. 3M’s respirator guide is on-line for anyone to access. I flagged your posting as well.

It’s clear to me that you’re upset that there is a readily available engineering solution to incense smoke sensitivity for many.
 
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Hi Angel. Second hand smoke has always been implicated in respiratory illness, and cancer. There is a proven link now.

It’s not about sensitivity, but about safe healthy environments.
we have come a long way since the days of early and later cigarette advertising. And in regulatory safe work and recreation environments. Even now, in banning people smoking close to doorways.
 
Guess what, I have spent years as an analytical Chemist. The ability , or not, of a mask to filter out particulate matter, saves lives.

Lives of those working in my industry. And those working in industries such as asbestos remediation, silicone production/ crushing, chemical production. We don’t muck around. If a 3m rep came into my lab claiming something contrary to the mask specs, he would be liable.

And for your information, you are comparing apples and oranges. Shall we discuss the size of the particulate and gaseous matter we want to filter in smoke, and welding heavy metal particulate, and exhaust systems vs the size of mesh that will filter it out?

Perhaps how respirator masks work?
 
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Roseeurekacross said:
These quite clearly state in their blurbs, what they trap and don’t.

They are not adequate for the issue you and I are discussing.
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You’re wrong. They meet all OSHA specs for a far more hazardous (welding) environment and so you know, choosing a respirator does not require a medical license.
 
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We cannot compare masks for welding, to masks for smoke or asbestos removal. Seriously
 
Roseeurekacross said:
Guess what, I have spent years as an analytical Chemist. The ability , or not, of a mask to filter out particulate matter, saves lives.

Lives of those working in my industry. And those working in industries such as asbestos remediation, silicone production/ crushing, chemical production. We don’t muck around. If a 3m rep came into my lab claiming something contrary to the mask specs, he would be liable.

And for your information, you are comparing apples and oranges. Shall we discuss the size of the particulate and gaseous matter we want to filter in smoke, and welding heavy metal particulate, and exhaust systems vs the size of mesh that will filter it out?

Perhaps how respirator masks work?
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Again, you’re simply wrong. I’m convinced now that 3M has an even less bulky, less costly respirator solution for incense smoke. I’ll have to do some research, talk directly to 3M. You honestly do seem to be upset, that there is an engineering solution – at least for some who cannot handle incense smoke.

I just read where 3M makes respirators which are designed to be worn during wildfires. Another far more hostile and toxic environment than some incense smoke at church. Your anti-incense crusade is toast.
 
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I am quite un upset. I am trying to explain to you, and if you download a few PDFs, and look at suitable use, you will see the difference between disposable welding masks, and disposable masks like you put the link in for , and air purifying masks, etc, most too costly to be disposable.

Any good fire fighting equipment site will also show you the difference,

And CAF had, and hopefully still has a policy on legal and medical advice.

Being convinced won’t saved lives. Having the facts, and the right information saves lives and acts as a preventative

Do you understand that for an asthmatic, the topic you and I are discussing, one or two tiny particulates can cause a potentially fatal attack. It’s not the size of the dog in the fight, but the fight in the dog.
 
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