How would your spritual life react to such a new parish in your neighborhood?

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Roseeurekacross said:
I am quite un upset. I am trying to explain to you, and if you download a few PDFs, and look at suitable use, you will see the difference between disposable welding masks, and disposable masks like you put the link in for , and air purifying masks, etc, most too costly to be disposable.

Any good fire fighting equipment site will also show you the difference,

And CAF had, and hopefully still has a policy on legal and medical advice.

Being convinced won’t saved lives. Having the facts, and the right information saves lives and acts as a preventative
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I didn’t give any legal or medical advice. Please stop telling falsehoods.

These engineering safety solutions cut directly into your anti-incense crusade. That’s clearly the source of your anger.
 
Oh yes you did, in your mask discussions.

It’s dangerous. Know how many people die of asthma attacks per year?

Again, I am not angry, I am concerned someone will go buy a mask like the ones you exhibit, and think they are ok, when quite frankly they may very well not be.
 
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Give it up. Do you want to be responsible for someone’s potentially fatal asthma attack?

Here’s some real medical advice about incense triggers and asthma attacks,

www.lung.org

Reduce Asthma Triggers

Do you know what your causes your asthma symptoms to start? Triggers can vary from person to person and what affects one person may not affect another.
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TRIGGER EXAMPLE

Scents from perfumes, deodorants and cleaning supplies can affect a person with asthma. When possible, choose cleaning and personal care products that are odor- and fragrance-free.

TRIGGER EXAMPLES

Cleaning products
Gas Stoves
Scented candles and incense
Hairspray
Air fresheners
Personal care products

And

www.webmd.com

An Overview of Allergic Asthma

Learn about allergic asthma -- the signs, symptoms, and treatment -- to help prevent asthma attacks.
www.webmd.com www.webmd.com

The same allergens that give some people sneezing fits and watery eyes can cause an asthma attack in others. Allergic asthma is the most common type of asthma. About 90% of kids with childhood asthma have allergies, compared with about 50% of adults with asthma. The symptoms that go along with allergic asthma show up after you breathe things called allergens (or allergy triggers) like pollen, dust mites, or mold. If you have asthma (allergic or non-allergic), it usually gets worse after you exercise in cold air or after breathing smoke, dust, or fumes. Sometimes even a strong smell can set it off.

Because allergens are everywhere, it’s important that people with allergic asthma know their triggers and learn how to prevent an attack.

Enough said.
 
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I enjoy incense. At least I like the idea of it. The smell in church afterwards always made me think what a nice idea it was and the symbolism of prayers ascending to heaven is beautiful.

But the time I actually got my husband to take me to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy, he was almost sick from the reality of the incense and I left with a heavy headache and he vowed never to take me again.

The Catholic church I attend does use incense on occasion, but the majority of masses are without it, but very reverent never the less. My husband has expressed a wish to attend, but one of his first question was “Do they use that awful smoke?”

I don’t doubt that in comparison to others on the thread, my husband is operating out of preference rather than health issues, but I think it serves to illustrate that incense can be a barrier, not just for health reasons, but also to worship itself.

Like I say, I enjoy incense. But that is really not important.
 
Read my medical links to incense triggered asthma please.

And see how they have a caveat in the PDF you posted.

Examples of APR’s that may help reduce exposures to smoke include:

We can’t go for May help,

We must go for Will absolutely prevent
 
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JoyToTheWhirled said:
I enjoy incense. At least I like the idea of it. The smell in church afterwards always made me think what a nice idea it was and the symbolism of prayers ascending to heaven is beautiful.

But the time I actually got my husband to take me to an Orthodox Divine Liturgy, he was almost sick from the reality of the incense and I left with a heavy headache and he vowed never to take me again.

The Catholic church I attend does use incense on occasion, but the majority of masses are without it, but very reverent never the less. My husband has expressed a wish to attend, but one of his first question was “Do they use that awful smoke?”

I don’t doubt that in comparison to others on the thread, my husband is operating out of preference rather than health issues, but I think it serves to illustrate that incense can be a barrier, not just for health reasons, but also to worship itself.

Like I say, I enjoy incense. But that is really not important.
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I must admit that I don’t care for the scent of the incenses I have experienced in Eastern Catholic/Orthodox parishes, nor do I care for the large amount they use and in typically such small rooms. If I was an EC it would be a choice I would have to make because they certainly wouldn’t change their procedure for me.
 
Certainly they wouldn’t I’m sure. But Catholic churches, as far as I understand, have the liturgical freedom to not use incense, and many, like my parish, generally do not. I’m not sure why this is a hard topic for you. Incense is lovely and has many connotations, but if it can cause serious health issues and potentially kill in certain circumstances, it really isn’t an issue. Christ is not glorified by seeing how many people can choke while coming to receive Him in the Eucharist.
 
JoyToTheWhirled said:
Certainly they wouldn’t I’m sure. But Catholic churches, as far as I understand, have the liturgical freedom to not use incense, and many, like my parish, generally do not. I’m not sure why this is a hard topic for you. Incense is lovely and has many connotations, but if it can cause serious health issues and potentially kill in certain circumstances, it really isn’t an issue. Christ is not glorified by seeing how many people can choke while coming to receive Him in the Eucharist.
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For a couple of reasons actually.

First, I think there are a number of possible solutions that should first be investigated in each individual case rather than simply banning the use of incense.

Second, there is value to using incense within the context of the liturgy, otherwise we still wouldn’t be doing it after 2K years. It’s something that even predates our own Catholic liturgical traditions. Something that our forefathers adopted early on from our spiritual older brothers and sisters in the faith, the Jews. Yet some seem to think it’s perfectly OK to trash this ancient and beautiful tradition anytime anyone objects to it and that’s simply wrong. Other potential solutions must first be exhausted before even considering prohibiting the use of incense during the celebration of the Mass.
 
Ok. But my church doesn’t use it. So those with serious health issues don’t face the dilemma. Is my church less connected to the historic church?

This isn’t an issue of trashing a time honoured tradition for the sake of being pernickety or selfish. We are talking about serious life threatening conditions. Actually it’s even simpler than that. We are talking about compassion. I am finding it extremely peculiar that you will not concede for a second that for a few unfortunate people, incense is an absolute deal breaker and means they must stay away from Christ in the Eucharist. I think that’s the definition of uncharitable.
 
Duesenberg said:
You on the other hand seem seem to demand “NO INCENSE OR I’M LEAVING!” I believe you called the use of incense “disgusting” if incense is used when someone doesn’t want it to be used in an earlier post. One thing I have noticed in a large number of parishes is how people struggle to control others and to get over on them – to get their way no matter what. I’m very sensitive to that. That’s one reason why I wouldn’t be quick to trash the sacred use of incense.
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You twist my words. I am not “demanding” no incense or I’m leaving. I’m leaving on my own regard SO I DON’T DIE. You pop a Benadryl. Well hunky-dory for you. I WILL DIE. I’ve been in the ER and on oxygen because of accidental exposure. You have absolutely NO concept of what I go through. Your insistence that a mask will work speaks to your incredible nievite on this matter.

I also said that it is disgusting that a priest will not look out for their flock because they feel like they should use insence. Like it or not incense is NOT a requirement for the OF or the low TLM. Period. End of story. I am disgusted that a priest puts his preferences over parishioners who could die. He takes their choice from them–at least those who cannot travel. I can leave the parish. Many cannot.

He should be doing this by HIS choice for HIS flock. Like I said, I do not contact the diocese because I know they would force the issue. I don’t want that to happen. I wish that the priest would find it in himself to stop being self-centered and take the needs of his flock into account.
 
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Hi, Rose!

…you misunderstand my use of hypersensitivity… I mean that as in the physiological changes in the human body. I personally believe that the over use of chemicals (work environment, general pollution, eating habits, smoking habits, sharing living quarters with animals–to the inclusion of taking them to bed, allowing them to walk/lay all over, building walkways for cats to walk above their owners heads… and the use of chemistry in medication and other body changing adulterations–contraceptives, sexual aids, hormone therapy, lactation halting drugs, recreational drugs, human genie pigs, etc.) have introduced a debilitating alteration in the human body–rampant abuse of chemistry has brought about these conditions to which I refer to as “hypersensitivity.”

I am not suggesting that it is psychosomatic; not at all!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi, Joy!

I understand your position (on both assertions); yet, could those who have health issues not benefit from Mass Celebrated in a side chapel where no incense is ever used?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Hi!

…would LOL say it?

…I can’t believe that this discussion has escalated to dogs, pots and kettles!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Honestly, I don’t know. I suspect much would depend on the severity of the health issue in question. I get a headache from incense, I can get through. Others have serious respiratory issues or allergies absolutely cannot. I just think there is room in church practice for everyone to be accommodated. I understand the love of incense, I love it too even though it disagrees with me. I even understand the importance and significance in the liturgy. I just think it is more important that those eager and properly disposed to receive Christ, or even those who cannot but want to fulfil their Sunday obligation can do so without fear of serious health crisis. I don’t think that is unreasonable or unholy.
 
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