Hulu Series "Mrs America" hate piece on Phyllis Schlafly?

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LilyM said:
In other words she was too much of a coward to do what good and noble.people.have since done - unequivocally assert that a married person has a right to not have sex forced upon them. And to say that raoe is rape, whethwr withib or outside marriage.
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She was not a coward.

Our courts are already tied up and she saw this as a way of tying the courts up more. There were already laws on the books for abuse and women have been leaving abusive marriages for a long time. The divorce rate is what 40-50 per cent .
 
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There were already laws on the books for abuse
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We’re not just talking about abuse—we’re specifically talking about rape. Rape is a crime that is punishable by jail time, as it should be.

But until the 1970s, married men who raped their wives were exempt from criminal prosecution.

Schlafly advocated for continuing those exemptions. Are you suggesting that tying up the courts justifies letting men get away with rape?
 
“John Joseph Rideout became notorious back in 1978 when he became the first American man tried for raping his wife while they were living together, after she accused him of committing the assault in front of their 2-year-old child. Rideout was eventually acquitted, but now, almost 40 years later, he is facing new charges of rape against two women, one of which was his girlfriend at the time.”

 
JulianN said:
We’re not just talking about abuse—we’re specifically talking about rape. Rape is a crime that is punishable by jail time, as it should be.

But until the 1970s, married men who raped their wives were exempt from criminal prosecution.

Schlafly advocated for continuing those exemptions. Are you suggesting that tying up the courts justifies letting men get away with rape?
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No but she was a woman of her time and place and she felt that there would be case after case of rape charges because again how do the courts determine rape? She knew there were already laws to protect women and she was right in that sense. As it turns out there are very few marriage rape cases over the years or there are many women who are not reporting. . It takes a great deal to prove rape has occurred, She had to know that.

The marital rape law may be on books but no one seems to be using it. So in sense it makes people feel good but it is a useless law.
 
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So in sense it makes people feel good but it is a useless law.
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I can’t even …

OK, time for me to mute. Sometimes, I am just gobsmacked here on CAF, and a defense of Phyllis Schlafly’s attempts to suppress marital rape laws is one of the gobsmackiest things I’ve seen here. And that’s saying something.
 
JulianN said:
OK, time for me to mute. Sometimes, I am just gobsmacked here on CAF, and a defense of Phyllis Schlafly’s attempts to suppress marital rape laws is one of the gobsmackiest things I’ve seen here. And that’s saying something.
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You never heard of the UK rulings that said it was impossible to rape a prostitute? I guess they termed it theft of services or some such. (Not trying to make your head explode, either.)
 
JulianN said:
OK, time for me to mute. Sometimes, I am just gobsmacked here on CAF, and a defense of Phyllis Schlafly’s attempts to suppress marital rape laws is one of the gobsmackiest things I’ve seen here. And that’s saying something.
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She thought the laws were already there on the books and the new law would do little to nothing to help protect women. I am only posting what is said on Criminal lawyers defense sites . It is a criminal offense so how many men are in prison in the US for marital rape?
Proving rape by a spouse can often be more difficult, because it can be more difficult to prove that the victim did not give her consent. While this can be fairly straightforward to prove in the case of stranger rape, married couples usually have [consensual sex], so it can take evidence of marital discord or separation to show that the sexual activity was not nonconsensual.
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She was a woman of her time. She was born in 1924. She felt the laws to protect women were already there-laws for abuse. Again how many men today are actually in jail for the rape of their wife? The first case tried in 1978 did not even get a conviction.

It is very difficult to prove.
 
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Jbrady said:
Even at the time, she was a backward retrograde throwback. She was majorly out of step with her times.
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She was a woman of her time who fought against an amendment the ERA which she felt was useless or would harm women and she won.

Gloria Steinem
The press is always talking about working women, well the movement is only for working women, when in fact housewives work harder than anyone. She should be paid between eight and nine thousand dollars a year because that is how much it would cost her husband to pay for her services not including off and on prostitution.
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Since she had retrograde views on marital rape, I guess you could say that Hulu thinks “she deserved it” so they raped her reputation four years after her death.
Nice.
 
gam197 said:
She was a woman of her time. She was born in 1924. She felt the laws to protect women were already there-laws for abuse. Again how many men today are actually in jail for the rape of their wife? The first case tried in 1978 did not even get a conviction.

It is very difficult to prove.
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Plenty of crimes are hard to prove, and plenty of cases are difficult.to win.

Cases where domestic abuse is perpetrated by women against men are often harder to prove and win than when it is the other way around,.for lots of reasons.

Is the answer to treat such cases as if they either don’t exist, or aren’t at law the same as other cases of domestic abuse? Absolutely not! And thank God we don’t. But that is what Schlafly apparently wanted to do.

Again, rape is rape is rape, whether the victim is wearing the rapists wedding ring or not. Anything said or done by anyone, on any pretext, that muddies that simple and undeniable truth, does victims - and all of us - a huge disservice.
 
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A person can be right about some things and wrong about others.

You can admire a person for some beliefs while at the same time disagreeing with them about others.

It’s a thing. 🤷‍♀️
 
LilyM said:
Plenty of crimes are hard to prove, and plenty of cases are difficult.to win.

Cases where domestic abuse is perpetrated by women against men are often harder to prove and win than when it is the other way around,.for lots of reasons.

Is the answer to treat such cases as if they either don’t exist, or aren’t at law the same as other cases of domestic abuse? Absolutely not! And thank God we don’t. But that is what Schlafly apparently wanted to do.

Again, rape is rape is rape, whether the victim is wearing the rapists wedding ring or not. Anything said or done by anyone, on any pretext, that muddies that simple and undeniable truth, does victims - and all of us - a huge disservice.
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She was a woman of her time born in 1924 and she could not see how by including marital rape would help woman. She felt the laws for abuse. were already and should used to the fullest to help woman.

The law on marital rape was put in all states during her lifetime but it has not changed anything. There are few if any cases of marital rape that have gone to the courts so what does that say? The prisons are not filled with husbands who have raped their wives. It is impossible to to prove. It becomes He said, she said.

Schlafly made sense on many, many things when there was no sense and this one thing does make the total of her life and commitment.
 
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“Last month, I interviewed Anne Schlafly Cori, daughter of the late conservative activist, about the six-episode series, which premieres on Hulu Wednesday. When I asked Cori, chairman of the Eagle Forum, if anyone in her family had been consulted for their (name removed by moderator)ut, she replied, “Oh, no, they’ve got an agenda.” Cori further revealed her mother’s biographer, Donald Critchlow, was not contacted to assist in the production either. That’s a good indication “Mrs. America” values narrative over accuracy.”

 
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LilyM:
Plenty of crimes are hard to prove, and plenty of cases are difficult.to win.

Cases where domestic abuse is perpetrated by women against men are often harder to prove and win than when it is the other way around,.for lots of reasons.

Is the answer to treat such cases as if they either don’t exist, or aren’t at law the same as other cases of domestic abuse? Absolutely not! And thank God we don’t. But that is what Schlafly apparently wanted to do.

Again, rape is rape is rape, whether the victim is wearing the rapists wedding ring or not. Anything said or done by anyone, on any pretext, that muddies that simple and undeniable truth, does victims - and all of us - a huge disservice.
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She was a woman of her time born in 1924 and she could not see how by including marital rape would help woman. She felt the laws for abuse. were already and should used to the fullest to help woman.

The law on marital rape was put in all states during her lifetime but it has not changed anything. There are few if any cases of marital rape that have gone to the courts so what does that say? The prisons are not filled with husbands who have raped their wives. It is impossible to to prove. It becomes He said, she said.

Schlafly made sense on many, many things when there was no sense and this one thing does make the total of her life and commitment.
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My grandmother was born in the 1920s and absolutely knew right from wrong and that rape existed even in marriage. Not that she could have legally prosecuted anyone for it - even as domestic abuse it was (as with other forms of domestic abuse) very rarely legally prosecuted before the 1970s. It wasn’t just to do with the proveablity - it was also to do with an entrenched attitude that the law should stay out of family business, and that family violence was indeed family business. Whether sexual or non-sexual.

And how can you say it hasn’t changed anything? The very fact that people CAN and ARE being prosecuted for marital rape, whereas previously they were not, is in itself a significant change.

It’s like saying that laws against slavery in the US changed nothing because some freed slaves found themselves not much better off after Emancipation

On the contrary, abolishing slavery at law did, although it took decades, affect the national psyche of the US to the point where someone of the same blood as those formerly enslaved and powerless peoples was able to become your 44th President. Utterly unthinkable before the Civil War - or even the Civil Rights Act.

THAT is the power that legalising or criminalising certain behaviours has. It is a slow burn, not a quick fix, but it is powerful.
 
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LilyM said:
And how can you say it hasn’t changed anything? The very fact that people CAN and ARE being prosecuted for marital rape, whereas previously they were not, is in itself a significant change.

It’s like saying that laws against slavery in the US changed nothing because some freed slaves found themselves not much better off after Emancipation
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Lets not go there . Totally different,

These marital rape law have been in effect in most states since the 1970’s up and nothing has changed. Marital rape is a crime but few cases have been prosecuted in the last 50 years so what does it tell us. It exists and probably higher than we think as studies have been done but it is near to impossible to prove because of consent.

Schlafly because she was a lawyer may have foreseen it as she had to know how difficult it is to prosecute. These laws went into effect during her lifetime.

Gloria Steinem 1972
The press is always talking about working women, well the movement is only for working women, when in fact housewives work harder than anyone. She should be paid between eight and nine thousand dollars a year because that is how much it would cost her husband to pay for her services not including off and on prostitution.
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Watched the first episode last night, cannot imagine calling it a “hate piece”.
 
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