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God needs to see into the future to create a universe. This is nothing to do with the God exists out of time idea.
Humans were created sinful. Then we were told not to sin. Is that a fair demand?
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Yorkshireman
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Always wondered this myself Blueshadow. The devil has created havoc in God’s creation. God with his omniscience must have known how the fellow was going to go to the bad side. Yet God did nothing!
However when people are influenced by the devil guess what? It’s their fault.
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tonyrey
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Always wondered this myself Blueshadow. The devil has created havoc in God’s creation. God with his omniscience must have known how the fellow was going to go to the bad side. Yet God did nothing!
However when people are influenced by the devil guess what? It’s their fault.
- How do you **know **the devil has created havoc in God’s creation?
- How do you know God has done nothing?
- How do you know to what extent people are responsible for what they do?
- We are not created sinful but with the capacity to make **our own **decisions.
- If you are not responsible for your decisions your arguments are worthless.
- If you are responsible for your decisions where do you obtain the power to make your decisions?
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PRmerger
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God exists out of time. Saying God “needing” to see into the future has nothing to do with time is, again, nonsense.
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PRmerger
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Yup. If you’re a parent and you accepted your son’s explanation, “Well, Tyler made me skip school today” you’re a really, really naive parent.However when people are influenced by the devil guess what? It’s their fault.
I am certain you would tell you son, “As a thinking, rational person you have made the choices you made and must take the consequences for what you chose. It’s not Tyler’s fault you were dumb enough to listen to him.”
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grannymh
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A sin, big or little, is a matter of informed choice followed by action or inaction of some sort. What can one do when an envious thought arrives? Rob a bank in order to even up with someone? Recognize the truth that some people are better looking, smarter, luckier, born with a silver spoon, and so on? Cry? Smile because God doesn’t make junk?
How sweet of you to even assume this –Presumably you have nothing to confess.
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grannymh
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Yet, God did nothing ??? Catholic Churches have a crucifix to remind those who enter that God did something.Always wondered this myself Blueshadow. The devil has created havoc in God’s creation. God with his omniscience must have known how the fellow was going to go to the bad side. Yet God did nothing!
However when people are influenced by the devil guess what? It’s their fault.
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BlueShadow123
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Yorkshire means that God still went through with creating lucifer even though he knew he was going to betray him and become the devil and end up messing with Eve and ruining it for us all. Which inevitably means that there is a hell now too.
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tonyrey
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The possibility of hell exists whenever there are persons with free will who can reject God - regardless of Lucifer.
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BlueShadow123
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Considering the lack of scientific evidence/proof of God, I’m not surprised many do reject the likelihood of his existence.
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grannymh
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While I am not surprised at people rejecting God; in my humble opinion, this is due to personal pride and not lack of scientific evidence. Humble people, truly open to God’s presence, don’t need scientific evidence no matter how many people stand on their heads.
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vsedriver
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and your point is?
Why are you surprised that a Catholic teaching is used on a Catholic forum? Sounds like you’re the one that’s a little daft.
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BlueShadow123
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Mary was never sinless. Only somebody who doesn’t read the bible would think that.
The bible is clear every human sinned except for Jesus.
Mary even SAID that she needed a savior, which she did. She is human just like you and me.
She was not perfect, and she was not sinless. Everybody knows that.
The bible is clear every human sinned except for Jesus.
Mary even SAID that she needed a savior, which she did. She is human just like you and me.
She was not perfect, and she was not sinless. Everybody knows that.
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vsedriver
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Can some one truly love if they are not free?
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vsedriver
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I have read the Bible, and so did the early Church theologians who also said Mary was free of sin.
Mary never said she ‘needed’ a Savior. She only acknowledge that Jesus was her Savior.
I don’t know about perfect but she was sinless according to many theologians and Bible scholars.
Please check the Ask an Apologist for further Biblical sources of Mary’s sinlessness.
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BlueShadow123
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That I will do, because the bible is clear that everyone is a sinner.
And Mary is included in that ‘everyone’, as she is not god.
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grannymh
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Maybe there is confusion about the meaning of Original Sin according to the Catholic Church.That I will do, because the bible is clear that everyone is a sinner.
And Mary is included in that ‘everyone’, as she is not god.
Mary was preserved from the state of Original Sin so that she could be the Mother of God. This was possible in anticipation of the Salvific Crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
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BlueShadow123
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Could be possible, if she was part of God’s plan all along, which she was. That means he would have guided her to prevent her from sin in her life. If not, then she definitely would have sinned sometime, because its impossible for a human not to at least once. Everybody is a sinner.
Was this what your post was regarding?:
biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1:46-55&version=KJV
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grannymh
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I was not thinking specifically of this marvelous passage. Rather I was thinking of the Catholic teaching on Original Sin and human nature. Also, Catholicism includes tradition which would have expanded on the meaning of being the Mother of God.
As I keep reading that everybody is a sinner, I prefer the positive approach to human nature. What I mean is that because of our spiritual soul, intellect and free choice, we can avoid personal sins. Original Sin is contracted by the transmission of human nature. Personal sins, that is, the ones we ourselves choose to do are different.
Jesus Christ redeemed us through the Sacrament of Baptism which clears one’s state of Original Sin. Because Jesus Christ died for all, Catholics believe that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of partaking in Christ’s salvation. We should never underestimate the power of God to touch a soul.
Practically speaking, it is easy to sin. What is different between Catholicism and some Protestant teachings is that Catholics see human nature as essentially good but it was wounded by Adam’s sin. Some Protestant teaching goes to the opposite extreme by saying that human nature was corrupted so that it became totally bad.
Those who call life a battle to be good are realistic. But also realistic means turning to the Good Shepherd Who protects us.
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LilyM
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The Bible is equally clear that EVERYONE in Jerusalem went to the Jordan to see John the Baptist. Do you for a second imagine that the entire city literally emptied? That every man, woman and child, shepherd who was on duty to guard the sheep and soldier who was meant to guard the gates toddled off to listen to the Baptist?That I will do, because the bible is clear that everyone is a sinner.
And Mary is included in that ‘everyone’, as she is not god.
Of course it doesn’t. Neither does ‘all have sinned’ mean there is no possibility of Mary being sinless.
Yes she acknowledged a saviour. Jesus saved her from sin by preventing her from ever falling into it in the first place. If you stop me from falling into a pit by stretching out your hand to prevent it, will I not hail you as saving me? Just as much as if I fell in and you pulled me out?
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