Hundreds Attend 'Illicit' Mass in Mo

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Hundreds Attend ‘Illicit’ Mass in Mo.
By CHERYL WITTENAUER,
Associated Press Writer

ST. LOUIS - At least 1,500 people attended Christmas Eve Mass presided by an excommunicated Roman Catholic priest, despite warnings from the archbishop that participating would be a mortal sin.

The Rev. Marek Bozek left his previous parish without his bishop’s permission and was hired by St. Stanislaus Kostka Church earlier this month. As a result, Bozek and the six-member lay board were excommunicated last week by Archbishop Raymond Burke for committing an act of schism.

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The penalty was the latest wrinkle in a long dispute over control of the parish’s $9.5 million in assets.
**And all over money how SAD!😦 **
 
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MrS:
that is so sad… and all over 30 pieces of silver too.
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Yes…Archbishop Burke has been deprived of the opportunity to shut down the parish and sell off the assets to fill his coffers. So sad.

Baldwin
 
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BaldwinIV:
Yes…Archbishop Burke has been deprived of the opportunity to shut down the parish and sell off the assets to fill his coffers. So sad.

Baldwin
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nice comment… it will save me from reading more or your posteriors
 
the saddest thing is that they have chosen to go their own way over material riches instead of the heavenly riches only found in the holy catholic church,
 
Yes…it’s truely sad to see a bishop acting like a bishop and doing what is canonically right. Look on the bright side, perhaps the Holy See (which was so misguided as to side with the Archbishop) will summon the Archbishop to Rome permanently and bring a more upright and proper bishop to St. Louis…maybe one of the bishops in California, for example.

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Like most of you seem to be, I am saddened that this made national news (I saw it on the ticker at the bottom of the t.v. watching Fox News Channel this morning). All of the emotions I have toward the situation at St Stan are negative. I think its important to remember not to be cynical or sarcastic about this whole situation, as much as it hurts the Universal Church by bringing a scandal that I’m tired of defending to the fundamentalist protestant friends and coworkers I have who laud the scismatic parishoners of St Stan’s as heros who are “standing up to the big bad bullying unbiblical Romanist system”. I think what we need is less animosity and more prayer.
 
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joshua_b:
Like most of you seem to be, I am saddened that this made national news (I saw it on the ticker at the bottom of the t.v. watching Fox News Channel this morning). All of the emotions I have toward the situation at St Stan are negative. I think its important to remember not to be cynical or sarcastic about this whole situation, as much as it hurts the Universal Church by bringing a scandal that I’m tired of defending to the fundamentalist protestant friends and coworkers I have who laud the scismatic parishoners of St Stan’s as heros who are “standing up to the big bad bullying unbiblical Romanist system”. I think what we need is less animosity and more prayer.
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I am with you, time to pray…:gopray2:
 
"I’m not worried about mortal sin," said worshipper Matt Morrison, 50. "I’ll take a stand for what I believe is right."

I find this comment from the article to be most disturbing. Since when does making a point over money become more important than your eternal salvation?

My wife is from St. Louis, we visit there and attend mass at the Cathedral whenever we can. I can understand where both sides are coming from, but you must respect the authority of the Church even when it hurts your pride a little. The first Christians did not always agree with what St. Peter had to say but they respected his authority as head of the Church and did as he instructed.
 
He know when you’ve sleeping, he knows when yuor awake, he knows when you’ve been attending illicit masses, so don’t for your souls sake!

Wait… That doesn’t rhyme. Dang
 
IanS said:
“I’m not worried about mortal sin,” said worshipper Matt Morrison, 50. "I’ll take a stand for what I believe is right."
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Ahhhhh, you think it’s a tad presumptious when man thinks his idea of right and wrong is more important than God’s?
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Yes…it’s truely sad to see a bishop acting like a bishop and doing what is canonically right. Look on the bright side, perhaps the Holy See (which was so misguided as to side with the Archbishop) will summon the Archbishop to Rome permanently and bring a more upright and proper bishop to St. Louis…maybe one of the bishops in California, for example.

:rolleyes:
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I think those who see it as a “money issue” forget that the problem is one of jurisdiction and authority. It’s tragic and it always amazes me how those who do things like this always seem to be able to rationalize that their personal wishes and the will of God happen to coincide.

So many of our great saints had to submit to the will of the authority of the church, their example apparently does not carry over into some places in modern times.
 
What truly makes me sad at this point is the show of support everyone else has given to the board at St Stan. The Church is the Body of Christ, and we are losing a part of our own body !!! I may (to myself) question some of Abp Burke’s personal motivations, and I’m sure if i were a parishoner at St Stan, i would have an incredibly difficult time with the mandate given. As far as Fr Marek is concerned, I don’t have the wisdom to judge his culpability, nor does anyone else short of the Beatific vision. The thing that really does disturb me and causes me literal grief, is ANYONE who supports the St Stan parish to do anything other than come back into communion with the church. How anyone can celebrate or defend losing a part of our own body is beyond me. Jesus told us the gates of Hell will not prevail against his church, but why do people have to hold the gates open like this ?
 
I think we have been witnessing a renewal of the faith over the last several years, and St. Stan’s is just one more stop along the road to a much holier Church. IMO, we are starting to see the nominal Catholics, and the CINOs start to pull away from Holy Mother Church, and eventually the Church will be left with true believers. That will complete the renewal, and after that we will witness a period of growth that has not been seen for a very long time.

The struggle at St. Stan’s has merely been another example of people who claim to be Catholic, who are in fact Protestant at heart. It is incredibly sad, yet the Church is served better by people who willingly obey and follow.

Obviously we need to pray for those at St. Stan’s, yet we should also pray that the Church will continue its path to true renewal. The Church will have fewer people in the pwes, yet it will be a robust faith that will remain a beacon to the world. IMO. 🙂
 
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HagiaSophia:
I think those who see it as a “money issue” forget that the problem is one of jurisdiction and authority. It’s tragic and it always amazes me how those who do things like this always seem to be able to rationalize that their personal wishes and the will of God happen to coincide. So many of our great saints had to submit to the will of the authority of the church, their example apparently does not carry over into some places in modern times.
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Yes indeed how rapidly we forget that on a practical level. leaders, be they Pope, Bishop, President, or Indian Chief have only the level of authority that their lessors attribute to them and accept. As my children used to say to each other,“You’re not a boss of me.”
 
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TPJCatholic:
I think we have been witnessing a renewal of the faith over the last several years, and St. Stan’s is just one more stop along the road to a much holier Church. IMO, we are starting to see the nominal Catholics, and the CINOs start to pull away from Holy Mother Church, and eventually the Church will be left with true believers. That will complete the renewal, and after that we will witness a period of growth that has not been seen for a very long time.

The struggle at St. Stan’s has merely been another example of people who claim to be Catholic, who are in fact Protestant at heart. It is incredibly sad, yet the Church is served better by people who willingly obey and follow.

Obviously we need to pray for those at St. Stan’s, yet we should also pray that the Church will continue its path to true renewal. The Church will have fewer people in the pwes, yet it will be a robust faith that will remain a beacon to the world. IMO. 🙂
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IMHO, I agree:thumbsup:
 
MrS,

One of the sad elements of this is how the people and lay board of St. Stan’s act as if excommunication is a badge of honor. There was a time when people had real faith and entire cultures were immersed in the Faith. During those days, to be excommunicated was considered the absolute worst thing that could ever happen to someone. It was better to be put to death while still in the graces of the Church than to be excommunicated.

It is incredibly sad that the people on the lay board of St. Stan’s seem to have no clue about the peril they have placed themselves in.
 
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TPJCatholic:
It is incredibly sad that the people on the lay board of St. Stan’s seem to have no clue about the peril they have placed themselves in.
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That seems to be a common human ailment

If our ailment was physical, we might seek out a reputable doctor, if financial, a trustworthy banker.

But when it comes to saving our own soul… we often educate ourselves into imbecility (per Fr. Corapi)

Well, ignorance is not bliss.
 
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