Hundreds Attend 'Illicit' Mass in Mo

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I won’t cast any stones.I’m saddened to read this story!
More insight into how all of this came about would be interesting.This appears to have been going on for sometime.How high up in the church has this gone?Is the Bishop the sole authority?
I’ll pray for those that chose to do this,but better judgement for ethernal soles sake tells me I wouldn’t have chosen their path.
 
I am a Catholic, returning to my faith and learning about Catholicism, so please do not think I am starting trouble. I just want to know how attending could be a mortal sin? To me this sounds like a scare tactic. Can someone please explain this to me?
 
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curiousone:
I am a Catholic, returning to my faith and learning about Catholicism, so please do not think I am starting trouble. I just want to know how attending could be a mortal sin? To me this sounds like a scare tactic. Can someone please explain this to me?
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I think that there might be another side to the story which is not being told here, and that is the side of the Church parishoners at St. Stanislaus Kostka. IF you are interested to read the other side of the story, the story of the parishoners you may get their point of view at:
saveststans.com/
There is a lot of information on the site, as to why the parishoners do not agree with what the Archbishop is attempting to do.
Also, be sure to take a look at what happened to another St. Stanislaus Kostka Roman Catholic Church (of Polish origin) in Shamokin, PA:
 
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curiousone:
I just want to know how attending could be a mortal sin? To me this sounds like a scare tactic. Can someone please explain this to me?
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I understand that it is sinful because it lends personal approval to schism. It is, in essence, a stab at the heart of the Body of Christ. This is not a “scare tactic”, but a frank disclosure of what indeed is a fearful prospect - placing one’s soul in mortal danger over pride.
 
Larry Schaub:
I won’t cast any stones.I’m saddened to read this story!
More insight into how all of this came about would be interesting.This appears to have been going on for sometime.How high up in the church has this gone?Is the Bishop the sole authority?
I’ll pray for those that chose to do this,but better judgement for ethernal soles sake tells me I wouldn’t have chosen their path.
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Please take the time to read this entire thread. It’s all here, although not necessarily in chronological order.
 
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stanley123:
I think that there might be another side to the story which is not being told here, and that is the side of the Church parishoners at St. Stanislaus Kostka. IF you are interested to read the other side of the story, the story of the parishoners you may get their point of view at:
saveststans.com/
There is a lot of information on the site, as to why the parishoners do not agree with what the Archbishop is attempting to do.
Also, be sure to take a look at what happened to another St. Stanislaus Kostka Roman Catholic Church (of Polish origin) in Shamokin, PA:
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At least the good Bishop knows he is in charge of the diocese. Our bishop tends to ignore more problems than not. And the “control” of the parish assets is a problem, whether the board has done a good or bad job or not.

Sounds like there is not that much cash… mostly property. So what is really upsetting the people may be just the power struggle - which smacks of real pride.
 
The St.Stanislaus web site has a head line it that mentions Archbishop Rigali said the parish was not in line with canon law.
Does anyone know how?
I haven’t seen it mentioned in this thread. Regardless of that,if they are not in line with diocese and the Vatican,they aren’t Catholic.Just like the Pro-Life groups say,“you can’t be Catholic and Pro-Choice”.I agree! You can’t just pick and chose what parts you like and don’t like.Either you are or you’re not.
I’ve heard nothing but good about Bishop Burke!I’ll stick with him!
 
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curiousone:
I am a Catholic, returning to my faith and learning about Catholicism, so please do not think I am starting trouble. I just want to know how attending could be a mortal sin? To me this sounds like a scare tactic. Can someone please explain this to me?
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How Mass can be illicit and sinful

canonlaw.info/blog.html
 
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cainem:
found this link on spirit daily concerning this problem, looks like fr bozek is no stranger to controversy
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And do you think that Archbishop Burke is a stranger to controversy?
 
at least if he is he is not leading the faithful into mortal sin, i have no idea who is who in the us catholic church but he seems to be a strong and a faithful servant to holy mother church,
 
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cainem:
found this link on spirit daily concerning this problem, looks like fr bozek is no stranger to controversy

stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/religion/story/0FBBB145B49D6022862570E30026B1E0?OpenDocument
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I saw this story over the weekend and decided not to post it. Looks like this is no more than a conflict between Fr. Bozek and the rector of the seminary. In fact, the actions of the rector after Fr. Bozek left tend to work in favor of Fr. Bozek’s version of the story.

PF
 
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stanley123:
And do you think that Archbishop Burke is a stranger to controversy?
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are you implying that the good Bishop starts the controversy, or is called on to address it?
 
thanks for the link stanley123, i will double my prayers that they will return to the one holy catholic church, i trust you are not one of the new st stan’s protestants, their trench mentality really troubles me they are playing right into the hands of those who hate our church somuch
 
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nlh1302:
Ahhhhh, you think it’s a tad presumptious when man thinks his idea of right and wrong is more important than God’s?
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Ahhhh, you thinks it’s a tad presumptious that you happen to know God’s personal opinion on this issue?

Matt Morrison may think that God couldn’t have agreed with what happened, and thus explains why he is taking the stand that he is. Matt ultimately will answer to God and nobody else. Evidently, he feels comfortable in this position.
 
An interesting thought to all of this: two of the diocese’ which have filed for bankruptcy due to claims concerning sexual abuse are the diocese of Spokane and the Archdiocese of Portland.

The judge in the Spokand case ruled that the parish assets of all the parishes belonged to the diocese.

The judge has yet to rule in the Oregon case, but the Archdiocese’ position is that Canon law says that the parish owns the assets, and they are held in trust by the Archdiocese (as in, they are not an asset of the Archdiocese).

The difference is how much money is available to claimants; only the assets of the Archdiocese (chancery, various properties, cash, etc.) or all of that plus the value of the various parishes.

No matter which way it goes, it most likely will be appealed; the presumption is now that it will go all the way to the Supreme Court.

And depending which way that all goes, so will go the law suits; if it is all Archdioces property, then it will be sued no matter which parish the priest was in at the time of the abuse; and if the parishes are independent, they will individually be sued.

A mess either way.

Ultimately, the issue also resounds in the St. Louis mess, and that is how the money and porperty is held and treated.

I suspect that most, if not all parishoners in St. Louis have little or no understanding of Canon law.
 
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stanley123:
See the site for info:
saveststans.com/
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OKAY…so another site on the opinions of supporters of St Stans.

by avoiding the question I asked, I can only assume you think the Bishop’s controversies are a negative for him.

I think he is a positive force in the Catholic Church, and would be thrilled to have him as my Bishop … or Carlson, or Chaput, or any truly Catholic orthodox bishop.
 
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OKAY…so another site on the opinions of supporters of St Stans.

by avoiding the question I asked, I can only assume you think the Bishop’s controversies are a negative for him.

I think he is a positive force in the Catholic Church, and would be thrilled to have him as my Bishop … or Carlson, or Chaput, or any truly Catholic orthodox bishop.
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Driving folks out of the church over a small technical violation of canon law, that didn’t hurt anybody for over 100yrs, does not qualify as a positive force to me.
 
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