Hundreds Attend Picnic to Support San Francisco Archbishop Cordileone

[Cake_or_Death]

You are aware that the Archbishop did not ban female Altar servers? That that was =the the decision of a Parish Priest for his Parish only?

Oh I am, however he did uphold the decision. There have been priests elsewhere in the world who have tried this and have been essentially overruled by their bishop. Therefor he is seen as complicit

Good…maybe that means he’s upholding what’s true and doing his job!

I’m not a Catholic so I must decline responding to this.

Please share the link to your studies. Are they peer reviewed?

They are, although my research on this topic is still ongoing (I’m working on my PhD) and I’ve been advised not to share them yet.

I do have other publications but they do not address Catholicism; my last book was about Santa Muerte and the other “Skeleton saints” of South America.

 

[estesbob]

Oh I am, however he did uphold the decision. There have been priests elsewhere in the world who have tried this and have been essentially overruled by their bishop. Therefor he is seen as complicit

I’m not a Catholic so I must decline responding to this.

They are, although my research on this topic is still ongoing (I’m working on my PhD) and I’ve been advised not to share them yet.

I do have other publications but they do not address Catholicism; my last book was about Santa Muerte and the other “Skeleton saints” of South America.

How ironic. We have to take your claims on " Faith "

 

[Cake_or_Death]

How ironic. We have to take your claims on " Faith "

You don’t have to take anything, failing to make the right decision as to if I’m a liar or not is not going to land you in eternal torment, nor is making the right choice a commendable virtue. Not quite the same

 

[estesbob]

You don’t have to take anything, failing to make the right decision as to if I’m a liar or not is not going to land you in eternal torment, nor is making the right choice a commendable virtue. Not quite the same

I have hard data to refute what you say but I’ve been advised not to share it. It will all be included in my next book

 

[josie_L]

Is that how we do things? We assume that more were in attendance than is reported based on absolutely no evidence at all? Or we assume that there is a HUGE amount of support for from people that had something come up? That an ARCHBISHOP of the Church got so little support is shameful. That the criticism by Catholics there is louder than the support is shameful. That shepherd is in a mess with his flock. I support him, but those wolves are so numerous there that I am not sure that Crozier can fend them off.
But that is what the saints of the Church are made of. Right?
Strike one Cali
Strike two San Fran
Strike Three the media

That is a tough tall order.

I don’t think they are so numerous as they are more vocal/powerful (the elites, media. . .), moreover, I saw the demonstrations against the Archbishop and they were significantly smaller than the hundreds gathered in support of him.

 

[josie_L]

Most of the San Francisco Catholics answering a poll on archbishop Cordileone support him.
see www.crisismagazine.com/2015/attacks-archbishop-cordileone-fall-flat

I thought that would be the case (the elites/media will never let this be known because they have an agenda).

 

[josie_L]

Is that how we do things? We assume that more were in attendance than is reported based on absolutely no evidence at all? Or we assume that there is a HUGE amount of support for from people that had something come up? That an ARCHBISHOP of the Church got so little support is shameful. That the criticism by Catholics there is louder than the support is shameful. That shepherd is in a mess with his flock. I support him, but those wolves are so numerous there that I am not sure that Crozier can fend them off.
But that is what the saints of the Church are made of. Right?
Strike one Cali
Strike two San Fran
Strike Three the media

That is a tough tall order.

From Crisis Magazine:

Despite a ruthless public relations war against San Francisco’s Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone for attempting to ensure that Catholic schools remain faithful to the Church, the majority of respondents to a San Francisco Chronicle poll remain supportive of their episcopal leader.

Should Pope Francis remove Archbishop Cordileone from the San Francisco archdiocese?

:black_medium_small_square:78% No, the archbishop is upholding the values of the Catholic Church
:black_medium_small_square:11% Yes, the archbishop is fostering a climate of intolerance
:black_medium_small_square:10% No, the archbishop is right to oppose same-sex marriage
:black_medium_small_square:1% Yes, his morality clause for teachers in parochial schools defies the law

This has to be disappointing for those who hired Sam Singer, the infamous public relations guru, who has created a cynical marketing campaign to convince Catholics that the archbishop does not understand or appreciate the unique cultural needs of the San Francisco community. From candlelight vigils at the cathedral—replete with protestors dressed in black to vilify the archbishop at Church services on Ash Wednesday—to an extensive campaign to try to convince Catholics that the archbishop hates the homeless and is using sprinklers to remove them from sleeping on Church property, Singer has tried several unsuccessful strategies to convince Catholics to remove their leader.

crisismagazine.com/2015/attacks-archbishop-cordileone-fall-flat

 

[Havard]

Oh I am, however he did uphold the decision. There have been priests elsewhere in the world who have tried this and have been essentially overruled by their bishop. Therefor he is seen as complicit

Complicit in what? It is a settled matter in Canon law, female altar servers are permitted, but not required, at the discretion of the bishop:

The Holy See respects the decision adopted by certain Bishops for specific local reasons on the basis of the provisions of Canon 230 2. At the same time, however, the Holy See wishes to recall that it will always be very appropriate to follow the noble tradition of having boys serve at the altar. As is well known, this has led to a reassuring development of priestly vocations. Thus the obligation to support such groups of altar boys will always continue.

catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=5212&CFID=29818572&CFTOKEN=39139259

One group of swallows does not a summer make. I know from my own studies that the vast majority of Catholics in that diocese are deeply displeased with the Bishop.

I understand why he was chosen for that post, clearly in “sodom-on-the-sea” one would want an arch conservative more than happy to condemn those who stray but I can’t help feel Cordileone is getting too far ahead.

To be clear, you’re alleging that the Archbishop is “more than happy to condemn those who stray?” Since you have researched the subject, would you mind then sharing what has the Archbishop done to engage, for example, the local gay community, and what he has said to them? Or the folks who wrote the letter to the nuncio, and published another in the Chronicle?

 

[KCT]

I wouldn’t put much store in the numbers they quote, the liberal media has a tendency to underestimate when it suits
their purposes, and I know this because I’ve been participating in the pro-life rally in Canada, wherein numbers are misrepresented by the media.

So true. The March for Life In DC gathers hundreds of thousands, and the media says ‘thousands’.

 

[simple_soul]

Cool photo and God Bless those who attended.

Sorry the “photo” does nothing for me except to ask; was it staged?

 

[JRRTFAN]

I wouldn’t put much store in the numbers they quote, the liberal media has a tendency to underestimate when it suits their purposes, and I know this because I’ve been participating in the pro-life rally in Canada, wherein numbers are misrepresented by the media.

One can’t help but be nauseated at the absolute lack of support of Archbishop Cordileone by the craven and timourous USCCB and each individual member bishop thereof. Where is the public vocal and published support? This is to say nothing of the Conference of California Catholic Bishops whose only spine exists in His Excellency Bishop Cordileone. Sickening.

 

[Havard]

Sorry the “photo” does nothing for me except to ask; was it staged?

Why are you using scare quotes around the word photo? I don’t mean to be a pedant, but your scare quotes imply that you’re skeptical that it’s a real photo.

 

[oneofmany]

One group of swallows does not a summer make. I know from my own studies that the vast majority of Catholics in that diocese are deeply displeased with the Bishop.

I understand why he was chosen for that post, clearly in “sodom-on-the-sea” one would want an arch conservative more than happy to condemn those who stray but I can’t help feel Cordileone is getting too far ahead. His decision on female altar servers especially struck me as odd, I understand his thoughts behind it but it seems a poor strategy to “attack” so many groups at once. He would have met far less resistance had he introduced his ideas slowly and conservatively, not all at once causing all factions of resistance to rally together.

Jesus would not have chosen you to be one of His apostles. Same out cry when Bishop Olmstead went to Phoenix. People who are outside of their Church’s teachings for so long have a tsunami fit when any cleric who knows the faith comes around them.

 

[josie_L]

One can’t help but be nauseated at the absolute lack of support of Archbishop Cordileone by the craven and timourous USCCB and each individual member bishop thereof. Where is the public vocal and published support? This is to say nothing of the Conference of California Catholic Bishops whose only spine exists in His Excellency Bishop Cordileone. Sickening.

Consider the apostles’ response when Jesus was arrested and crucified, i.e., they abandoned him, so I guess in this instance history is repeating itself.

 

[simple_soul]

Why are you using scare quotes around the word photo? I don’t mean to be a pedant, but your scare quotes imply that you’re skeptical that it’s a real photo.

Oh, I’m sorry I wasn’t trying to use them as scare quotes. I was using them to question the innocence or integrity of the picture. I do not believe it was photo shoped but am very sceptical of it just happening. It looks more like it was staged.
O.K. Just call me a sceptic.

 

[JRRTFAN]

Consider the apostles’ response when Jesus was arrested and crucified, i.e., they abandoned him, so I guess in this instance history is repeating itself.

Excerpted from today’s Mass readings;

28Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son. 29I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; ***30and from among your own selves will arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. ***

Paul hit that nail square on the head!

 

[Tigg]

Excerpted from today’s Mass readings;

28Take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God which he obtained with the blood of his own Son. 29I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; ***30and from among your own selves will arise men speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after them. ***

Paul hit that nail square on the head!

Absolutely! I find comfort in the fact that not only did Christ foresee everything that would happen in His church, but He alerted us to prepare us for this exact day and this moment. We will not be spared, in fact the lions become bolder. This is the hour we are to endure (even in a sense as the martyrs did) when we see every single godly thing attacked - from marriage to life issues to our very freedom. I thank the Lord that He has settled me down (some) and I am less and less surprised at the deception and cunning of God’s enemies. Maybe what we are still to experience will be the same moment as it was for the apostles when they knew their Master would not come down from the Cross because, in fact, He was dead! …(And then the Resurrection.)