Hundreds gather in Arizona for armed anti-Muslim protest

[Flecth_F_Fletch]

JimR-OCDS:

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Originally Posted by TEPO

There were no arrests and no altercations.

Not the point.

Having to go police a crowd of armed protestors can not give cops a warm fuzzy feeling.

Jim

How much do you want to bet that they feel safer there than they do in most of the streets in numerous inner-cities in America?

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[JimR-OCDS]

How much do you want to bet that they feel safer there than they do in most of the streets in numerous inner-cities in America?

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Well I’m not a betting man and because they might not feel safe in inner city areas, doesn’t negate how they felt about going to a protest with armed protestors outside of a mosque.

Jim

 

[Flecth_F_Fletch]

JimR-OCDS:

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How much do you want to bet that they feel safer there than they do in most of the streets in numerous inner-cities in America?

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Well I’m not a betting man and because they might not feel safe in inner city areas, doesn’t negate how they felt about going to a protest with armed protestors outside of a mosque.

Jim

I suspect they felt fine. You obviously think differently. Since neither of us know for sure, not much point in discussing their feelinga.

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[JimR-OCDS]

I suspect they felt fine. You obviously think differently. Since neither of us know for sure, not much point in discussing their feelinga.

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Well, I’m going by my own experience being on the opposite side of protestors at a protest turned riot.

If they had guns, I would’ve felt more anxious.

So what’s your experience in such things ?

Jim

 

[Inisfallen]

Don’t you dare call the IRA terriosts mate as you haven’t a clue. The IRA were engaged in a political war in a fight to Liberate It’s own country from An anti catholic imperialist foreign nation.

Yes. By, among other things, bombing department stores on a Saturday afternoon, and business districts on a business day morning.

So you’re saying that it’s motivation that makes an organization or an individual a terrorist, not actions.

 

[captainrick]

Don’t you dare call the IRA terriosts mate as you haven’t a clue. The IRA were engaged in a political war in a fight to Liberate It’s own country from An anti catholic imperialist foreign nation. The UVF were a force aided by Britain to keep sectarian conflict alive. Not all IRA attacks were justifiable but those individuals will have to answer to God for that however the conflict was a political one in which combatants engaged combatants. How many innocents have the Yankee terrorists killed in the middle east which Is only fueling groups like ISIS to exist. It’s IMMORAL

Yes! How dare he express an opinion about issues in a country in which he doesn’t live. Why, that would be just like someone outside the US insulting America with inflammatory terms like “Yankee terrorists,” a subject about which they don’t have a clue!

 

[jtauke]

Nobody ran these Muslims off. It was a peaceful protest. I call it “growing pains”. We can expect more if our own Catholic hisory is any example.

Why was the “protest” even necessary, if not to try and scare them off?

Take a step back and ask if Christ would be so militant against those who do not believe? Did he take up arms 2000 years ago against the gentiles? Against those that condemned him to die?

Matthew 26:52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

 

[jtauke]

Don’t you dare call the IRA terriosts mate as you haven’t a clue. The IRA were engaged in a political war in a fight to Liberate It’s own country from An anti catholic imperialist foreign nation. The UVF were a force aided by Britain to keep sectarian conflict alive. Not all IRA attacks were justifiable but those individuals will have to answer to God for that however the conflict was a political one in which combatants engaged combatants. How many innocents have the Yankee terrorists killed in the middle east which Is only fueling groups like ISIS to exist. It’s IMMORAL

You need to step down and cool off.

It’s a simple fact that the IRA, as a whole was responsible for the murder of numerous innocent lives, and pointing at the U.S. and claiming we’re just as bad, doesn’t make it any more justifiable.

A wrong doesn’t get any less wrong, just because someone else does it too.

 

[Seamus_L]

The modern IRA were terrorists, just like the Loyalist paramilitary groups, and more than a few members of the security forces and the British army.

 

[estesbob]

Don’t you dare call the IRA terriosts mate as you haven’t a clue. The IRA were engaged in a political war in a fight to Liberate It’s own country from An anti catholic imperialist foreign nation. The UVF were a force aided by Britain to keep sectarian conflict alive. Not all IRA attacks were justifiable but those individuals will have to answer to God for that however the conflict was a political one in which combatants engaged combatants. How many innocents have the Yankee terrorists killed in the middle east which Is only fueling groups like ISIS to exist. It’s IMMORAL

Was blowing up Lord Mountbatten an act of terror?

 

[Inisfallen]

What the heck, I’ll throw in my two cents.

A group of people, many of them armed (most of them, according to the story), gathering outside a place of worship, to taunt those going to worship there (remember, it was on a Friday) is not a peaceful demonstration. It’s thuggery, and it’s intended to intimidate. Nothing more. It’s an expression of hate, and it’s an incitement to violence.

The Washington Post story says that the organizer of the action “called it a patriotic sign of resistance against what he deemed the tyranny of Islam in America.” So even the organizer isn’t calling it a demonstration, he’s calling it an act of resistance (never mind that the “tyranny of Islam in America” is a figment of his imagination).

I have absolutely zero sympathy for this group. None. There was nothing “patriotic” about their actions. I think it’s a shame that they’re allowed to possess and carry firearms. It’s sickening. Religious intolerance on this scale is un-American. It’s disgusting.

 

[jtauke]

What the heck, I’ll throw in my two cents.

A group of people, many of them armed (most of them, according to the story), gathering outside a place of worship, to taunt those going to worship there (remember, it was on a Friday) is not a peaceful demonstration. It’s thuggery, and it’s intended to intimidate. Nothing more. It’s an expression of hate, and it’s an incitement to violence.

The Washington Post story says that the organizer of the action “called it a patriotic sign of resistance against what he deemed the tyranny of Islam in America.” So even the organizer isn’t calling it a demonstration, he’s calling it an act of resistance (never mind that the “tyranny of Islam in America” is a figment of his imagination).

I have absolutely zero sympathy for this group. None. There was nothing “patriotic” about their actions. I think it’s a shame that they’re allowed to possess and carry firearms. It’s sickening. Religious intolerance on this scale is un-American. It’s disgusting.

Well said sir! Thanks for sharing.

 

[FollowChrist34]

What the heck, I’ll throw in my two cents.

A group of people, many of them armed (most of them, according to the story), gathering outside a place of worship, to taunt those going to worship there (remember, it was on a Friday) is not a peaceful demonstration. It’s thuggery, and it’s intended to intimidate. Nothing more. It’s an expression of hate, and it’s an incitement to violence.

The Washington Post story says that the organizer of the action “called it a patriotic sign of resistance against what he deemed the tyranny of Islam in America.” So even the organizer isn’t calling it a demonstration, he’s calling it an act of resistance (never mind that the “tyranny of Islam in America” is a figment of his imagination).

I have absolutely zero sympathy for this group. None. There was nothing “patriotic” about their actions. I think it’s a shame that they’re allowed to possess and carry firearms. It’s sickening. Religious intolerance on this scale is un-American. It’s disgusting.

Yes, I totally agree. I am going out on a limb here, but I believe that a vast majority of Americans would agree with this.

 

[FollowChrist34]

The modern IRA were terrorists, just like the Loyalist paramilitary groups, and more than a few members of the security forces and the British army.

Agreed. Though I think the reality went more like this: the modern IRA were terrorists, just like the Loyalist paramilitary groups, and … a few members of the security forces and the British army.

We can learn a lot from this example of intolerance and hatred - to the point where it becomes an integral part of one’s national identity. An ironic backdrop for this Arizona “protest.” I sincerely hope we go no further down this road. And, again, the vast majority of Americans I don’t believe would ever participate in a protest like this in front of another’s house of worship (armed no less), tensions with Islam extremism aside.

The other thing that keeps coming to my mind - the US interring Japanese citizens during WWII.

We need to keep a clear head about about who the enemy is and who he is not.

 

[HolyCrusader007]

Yes, I totally agree. I am going out on a limb here, but I believe that a vast majority of Americans would agree with this.

^It could be the case, its certainly rare to see Anti Muslim rallies in the USA. I agree with what Inisfallen said as well.

 

[Path_Finder]

What the heck, I’ll throw in my two cents.

A group of people, many of them armed (most of them, according to the story), gathering outside a place of worship, to taunt those going to worship there (remember, it was on a Friday) is not a peaceful demonstration. It’s thuggery, and it’s intended to intimidate. Nothing more. It’s an expression of hate, and it’s an incitement to violence.

The Washington Post story says that the organizer of the action “called it a patriotic sign of resistance against what he deemed the tyranny of Islam in America.” So even the organizer isn’t calling it a demonstration, he’s calling it an act of resistance (never mind that the “tyranny of Islam in America” is a figment of his imagination).

I have absolutely zero sympathy for this group. None. There was nothing “patriotic” about their actions. I think it’s a shame that they’re allowed to possess and carry firearms. It’s sickening. Religious intolerance on this scale is un-American. It’s disgusting.

I hope we hear these kinds of words whenever Christianity is mocked as well.

 

[dreamer29]

I’m surprised that jihadists didn’t show up to shoot up the place, as they did in Texas recently. I’m sure many in the crowd would have assisted them in their goal of achieving martyrdom. Of course, like most terrorists, they’re cowards, and won’t cause trouble where people are likely to shoot back.

I agree terrorists will think twice about causing problems when people might be armed. Being armed also makes for a polite society as I am told. Arizona law abiding citizens are allowed to carry so it’s not like they went there armed to intimidate, they are usually armed anyway no matter where they go.

 

[Path_Finder]

What the heck, I’ll throw in my two cents.

A group of people, many of them armed (most of them, according to the story), gathering outside a place of worship, to taunt those going to worship there (remember, it was on a Friday) is not a peaceful demonstration.** It’s thuggery,** and it’s intended to intimidate. Nothing more. It’s an expression of hate, and it’s an incitement to violence.

Did I miss something? I really don’t agree with the use of the word “thuggery” to law abiding citizens. Also, the use of the word “hate” is pretty relative here as well and very certainly should be questioned as being used here. There happens to be terrorists in the world who kill and tell us the words of the Prophet dictate they do that.

Islamic Extremists have killed people over cartoons. That is pretty ridiculous, I have heard Muslim scholars agree. Oh, yes, and let’s all “remember, it was on a Friday”., yes, we Catholics understand the meaning of mentioning that.

The Washington Post story says that the organizer of the action “called it a patriotic sign of resistance against what he deemed the tyranny of Islam in America.” So even the organizer isn’t calling it a demonstration, he’s calling it an act of resistance (never mind that the “tyranny of Islam in America” is a figment of his imagination).

I have absolutely zero sympathy for this group. None. There was nothing “patriotic” about their actions. I think it’s a shame that they’re allowed to possess and carry firearms. It’s sickening. Religious intolerance on this scale is un-American. It’s disgusting.

Oh well, have people seen the US flag being burned; I don’t seem to hear it called all kinds of words. It’s sickening.

^It could be the case, its certainly rare to see Anti Muslim rallies in the USA. I agree with what Inisfallen said as well.

That’s too bad, if one is alcoholic or mentally ill, and so on, they deserve our charitable thoughts, everyone does. I know we are to respect other religions but I believe we are to respect our fellow man as well even if we disagree with them and so this is this “tolerance”??

If these kinds of words were ascribed to protesters in Ferguson Missouri, I wonder if it would be acceptable.

 

[Path_Finder]

Yes, I totally agree. I am going out on a limb here, but I believe that a vast majority of Americans would agree with this.

So, you believe law-abiding citizens should be described like this:

It’s thuggery, and it’s intended to intimidate. Nothing more. It’s an expression of hate, and it’s an incitement to violence.

And yet, somehow you would defend Charlie Hebdo, this is pretty mild compared to that.

We have seen Extremists put a bounty on the head of Salmon Rushdie for his book, we have seen cartoonists, others threatened or killed. The descendant of Vincent Van Gogh, Theo Van Gogh, practically decapitated for merely making a movie that with the help of a Somali woman who felt oppressed by the system, so Van Gogh just made the movie, he really didn’t have editorial (name removed by moderator)ut it sounds like to that great of an extent.

Yet, we have a problem with is this group?

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4008781.stm

And as usual, it sounds like it is America’s fault.

 

[HungerNThirst4R]

This is completely and totally disgusting. I pray that no “Catholics” took part in this. What “Islamic Tyranny” is present in America??? What about countries in the Middle East and Africa where Christians are being killed daily or forced out of their homes and into refugee camps? What is the armed anti-Islam American protestors doing about that?

People just want someone to hate, someone to blame for their problems.

God please help us!