Why would God make sex feel so good if we were only supposed to use sex to procreate? If he is responsible for making it feel so good, then it is only logical that we are supposed to enjoy it.Could you elaborate?
The goal of contraception isn’t to avoid pregnancy, its to avoid abstinence.
The world would be a lot worse off because you would have so many babies born to parents that aren’t ready to properly care for them.The world would be better without it.
However many places are experiencing a worrying fall in population, e.g. Europe and Japan.On the contrary, many places are experiencing overpopulation.
This is the prevailing attitude in our culture, however, this attitude directly contradicts Christian (not just Catholic) teaching until 1930.then it is only logical that we are supposed to enjoy it.
I enjoy sex with my wife and our goal for using contraception is to avoid pregnancy. We don’t want kids yet and will be better prepared to raise kids when we are older.
Conservative Evangelicals disagree on many essential things, such as the need for baptism or the meaning of holy communion, and other such things. They do not speak with a united voice in their teachings.Della,
This is off topic of the OP, but I believe there is greater unity of faith and doctrine amongst conservative evangelicals than RCs.
Amongst the various denominations we all hold to the essentials that we believe are necessary for salvation. RCs do not.
-Tim
You are hanging your hat on non-Catholic sources to provide good information on Catholics? Give us a break!
Interesting article.This is the prevailing attitude in our culture, however, this attitude directly contradicts Christian (not just Catholic) teaching until 1930.
My signature links to a good article about Christianity and contraception.
Before Christ came, everyone went to Hell - no exceptions.I cannot understand how a loving God can create so many people who, it seems, will end up being punished for all eternity.
At the present time, especially sinvce HV and Vat II, no two Catholics agree in their beliefs, our views are nuanced and this makes this forum so interesting and illuminating.No two Protestant denominations can claim to have all the same teachings all the time, but the Catholic Church can and does because it always has and always will.
No two Protestant sets of official doctrines agree on these subjects, but there is only one set of Catholic official doctrines - those who disagree with them are out of full communion with the Church; these folks aren’t being obedient to another set of Catholic official doctrines somewhere, as Protestants typically are being obedient to a different set of Protestant doctrines - rather, they are rebelling.At the present time, especially sinvce HV and Vat II, no two Catholics agree in their beliefs, our views are nuanced and this makes this forum so interesting and illuminating.
I disagree.Before Christ came, everyone went to Hell - no exceptions.
Evangelicals disagree on things you and RC’s think are essential. We agree on what we believe to be essential.Conservative Evangelicals disagree on many essential things, such as the need for baptism or the meaning of holy communion, and other such things. They do not speak with a united voice in their teachings.
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You can stick your head in the sand all you want. I don’t really think that the fact that every survey has shown that a majority of western RC’s reject the official teaching on contraception is really disputable. I will leave you to prove otherwise beyond *ad hominem *attacks on sources.You are hanging your hat on non-Catholic sources to provide good information on Catholics? Give us a break!
Your post is an excellent example of the dangers of this cultures present fixation on this absurd environmentalism.More people contributes to more use of limited resources, more emissions, more global warming, etc. which causes a harmful effect on the beautiful world that God created. One could argue that contraception reduces global warming.
Then just don’t have sex when she is furtile. It only lasts a little less than a week per month. You then wouldn’t have to pump her full of unnatural hormones or wear uncomfortable latex that really ruins it anyway.I enjoy sex with my wife and our goal for using contraception is to avoid pregnancy
Jmcrae
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Before Christ came, everyone went to Hell - no exceptions.
I disagree.
The old version of the Creed had that after His death Jesus descended into hell, the new version has he descended to the dead.
In school we were taught that Jesus after His death descended to where the souls of good people were to lead them to heaven as they had been redeemed.
OT saints were saved by Christ. Anyone who makes it to heaven is there because of Christ.Prior to the death of Christ good peopel were in “Abraham’s bosom” as the Gospel of Luke tell us in the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man (Lk 16:22-23).
Jesus Christ stands at the apex of history. Just as we look back in history to Christ’s sacrifice for our sins on the cross, Old Testament believers looked forward to His sacrifice for them.
No two Catholics have EVER been totally on the same page 100% of the time–EVER. Disagreeing about things that are not yet declared is just fine. Disagreeing about dogma and doctrines that have been declared is not. Big difference. Those who will not accept declared doctrines/dogmas are either formal or material heretics and/or dissenters. It is the Magisterium that decides matters of faith and morals not individual Catholics.Della
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At the present time, especially sinvce HV and Vat II, no two Catholics agree in their beliefs, our views are nuanced and this makes this forum so interesting and illuminating.
This is to the advantage of all of us, as it makes one think carefully to see where we stand…
Please see my signature.
I am trying to resolve all the related issues being discussed here by reading Hans Urs von Balthasar.
He wrote about ‘a blind act of faithful obediernce’ and ‘[t]he individual must allow himself to be led “whither he would not”’.
One thinks of the clay not being able to tell the potter what to do.
No. What it provides is the ability to perceive sex as a sport with no openness to life and no need for love. Sex as a sport is not a benefit to society. Stable families and children within marriage is the best benefit for society.If we thought about contraception for a moment, would you not conclude that it provides great benefit to society?
Had to answer this one. If GOD had made sex repulsive and miserable we would not have gone and and multiplied. Yes we are to enjoy it and the Catholic Church says so. In a sacramental marriage it is blessed and not to be refused as it is a gift to one another.Why would God make sex feel so good if we were only supposed to use sex to procreate? If he is responsible for making it feel so good, then it is only logical that we are supposed to enjoy it.
I enjoy sex with my wife and our goal for using contraception is to avoid pregnancy. We don’t want kids yet and will be better prepared to raise kids when we are older.
My wife and I do not perceive sex as a sport. We do it to express our love for each other and to also enjoy it. We very much value life and will have children when we are ready.…perceive sex as a sport with no openness to life and no need for love
Which is exactly why contraception is such a great benefit to society, because it helps to make sure children are born to stable families within marraige. If it wasn’t for contraception, you would have a lot more babies being born to unstable families and out of wedlock.Stable families and children within marriage is the best benefit for society.
I pray that you don’t find yourselves in the situation many other couples have. When some that have been on these wonderful contraceptives for a long time and then wanted children they were unable to conceive for some unknown reason.My wife and I do not perceive sex as a sport. We do it to express our love for each other and to also enjoy it. We very much value life and will have children when we are ready.
Which is exactly why contraception is such a great benefit to society, because it helps to make sure children are born to stable families within marraige. If it wasn’t for contraception, you would have a lot more babies being born to unstable families and out of wedlock.
Do you have any evidence to support this? Something tells me there would be more pregnancies if they weren’t using birth control.The availability of contraception is one main thing responsible for the out of wedlock baby boom.
[bolded by me.] That phrase is the operative phrase of your question. Catholics “in the west” reject it. Most Catholics worldwide do not. What we as Catholics must guard against is an infection of western thinking to the rest of the world.Why do most Catholics in the west reject Humanae Vitae?
We don’t know, nor should we know. That is God’s job. We can only know what is shared with us. That is why all discussions about contraception (or any other topic for that matter) must begin in love and friendship.Are most of these living in sin?
Again an operative word, appear. Ten years ago I “appeared” to be headed straight for hell too. It was only by the grace of God that I did not die in my unrepentant state.My permanent problem is that most Catholics appear to be heading for hell, either through non-attendance at Sunday Mass or by rejecting the Church’s teaching on sex.
Because we are looking only from our finite point of view, it can appear hopeless. It isn’t. God is bigger than that. Spend your time speading the gospel, it is called the “Good news” after all!I cannot understand how a loving God can create so many people who, it seems, will end up being punished for all eternity.