@ontologysue
“No, they’re not. 2 + 2 = 4 is a mathematical truth, it is not dependent on any experiment or verification in the material realm. The concept of an isosoles triangle exists, it is not material, nor does it depend on anything material.”
You’d have to go back to the beginnings of mathematics for this, early humans taking a rock, adding another rock and getting 2 rocks. Every time. Such things are accepted mathematical truth only because it is so easily empirically verified. All the kids basic math books (that I ever saw anyway) started out with pictures of 1 apple, 2 oranges, 3 pears, etc. 1 apple plus 1 apple is 2 apples. An isosoles triangle is an isosoles triangle only if the measureable lengths of two of the sides are equal. Sure the concept, or rather the definition, itself isn’t what I would call material, but it is an abstraction of the material. Taking such simple things as mathematical truths allowed us to build on them, without having to refer to physical items, instead referring to those things that were already proven, and getting more and more complicated. Mathematics starts with counting, and you count “things”.
phooney;3161013:
You can see where I was going with the tautology by my shorter response and non-observable truths.
Terribly sorry. I wasn’t sure how else to take your words in post #295 in this thread:
“Personally, I think the existence of language and consciousness, which scientists still find inexplicable, are more pursuasive indicators of an Infinite Intelligence, who, (perfect ‘personhood’) IS Being Itself, ie God.”
This was what I was going off, I didn’t intend to put words in your mouth.
My point in that post was that man, since he communicates, in what I would argue, is a singularly complex language, is conscious of a “self,” and is conscious that he is conscious of a “self,” thereby developing the concept of "personhood, "entirely unique to our species, is an
existential being. This is THE salient fact of our existence. It is the fact which makes man a philosopher, artist, musician, mathematician, a lover of beauty and a poet.
We are closest to apprehending the ONE who IS Intelligence, who IS Being itself, who IS Personhood itself, who is I AM, when we utilize our higher nature.