I am confused about this idea of sex reassignment surgery

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The article in The Atlantic is quite good and well balanced. It certainly does reinforce my belief that for children who appear to be experiencing gender dysphoria, any care decisions that will have a permanent outcome should if possible be delayed as long as possible to make sure that these feelings are not temporary. And although I do agree with affirming care, doctors and psychologists shouldn’t push patients in one direction or another or be too quick to make a diagnosis which could crystalize a certain perception.
 
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The article in The Atlantic is quite good and well balanced. It certainly does reinforce my belief that for children who appear to be experiencing gender dysphoria, any care decisions that will have a permanent outcome should if possible be delayed as long as possible to make sure that these feelings are not temporary. And although I do agree with affirming care, doctors and psychologists shouldn’t push patients in one direction or another or be too quick to make a diagnosis which could crystalize a certain perception.
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Yes, I thought it was an excellent and well-balanced article; I am glad you enjoyed it, too. 🙂 While I disagree with people (minors particularly) having these hormone thereapy or surgeries done at all, it is good to hear both sides of the issue, and I hope this article succeeds in keeping a few people from rushing into a decision that they might later come to regret.
 
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You realize, of course, that intersex is not the same as transgender and an intersex person with androgen insensitivity disorder who is XY would nevertheless have the brain and outward physical body of a woman and would not experience gender dysphoria.
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Never claimed otherwise. Was using that as an example of the Y Chromosome genetically making a person male, regardless of what they look like on the outside.
 
StephieNorthCo said:
Understanding Genetics

In rare occasions this can happen.

The statement “no generalization is true, even this one.” Still holds.
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Good article. I didn’t know there were a few, very rare XY people who had functioning uteruses. But as the article said, they still cannot create eggs, so they require donated eggs.

I should revise my org post to state people with Y Chromosomes cannot create eggs, but typically can create sperm.

Thank you and God Bless
 
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Good article. I didn’t know there were a few, very rare XY people who had functioning uteruses. But as the article said, they still cannot create eggs, so they require donated eggs.
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These kinds of medical conditions like “intersex” or hermaphrodite are quite rare, but its not generally what people are talking about when they are referring to transgendered individuals.

The large majority of transgendered people are folks with perfectly normal functioning sex organs, but they just feel like they are women trapped in a man’s body, or vice versa.

Its interesting to talk about medical abnormalities and such, but not that useful to use them to determine public policy for the overwhelming majority for whom it doesn’t apply.

These are exceptions.
 
People with androgen insensitivity normally can’t produce sperm.

I’m glad you’re open to all those stuff and I don’t want to come across as contrary but saying a y makes someone male seems odd. Why not say that two x’s makes them female? That would seem just as correct.
 
Maybe.However when I see and read articles about a man chest feeding and giving birth,while their "wives " are actually the man who impregnated them,I am both repulsed and beyond dismayed and the perversion of the efforts to be a family and the contortions applied to achieve this end.
 
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Maybe.However when I see and read articles about a man chest feeding and giving birth,while their "wives " are actually the man who impregnated them,I am both repulsed and beyond dismayed and the perversion of the efforts to be a family and the contortions applied to achieve this end.
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Hey, have you heard of these people? Are the men of the African Aka tribe the best fathers in the world? | Children | The Guardian

What’s your opinion on them out of interest?
 
This Isa cultural thing and nothing at all like the men who are in fact still women being portrayed as having given birth and chestfeeding their babies.
 
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Maybe.However when I see and read articles about a man chest feeding and giving birth,while their "wives " are actually the man who impregnated them
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That I haven’t heard about, but I haven’t watched Springer in years.

But I did see this couple back in the 80’s, where a husband and wife had children, and then both had sex change operations.

They complained to Jerry and Phil Donahue that they were discriminated against and people thought they were weirdos.

From the current news, it seems like they were just born a quarter century too early.
 
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This Isa cultural thing and nothing at all like the men who are in fact still women being portrayed as having given birth and chestfeeding their babies.
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That also seems like a cultural thing to me. I’m glad they’re able to handle their dysphoria enough to be able to feed their child.
 
I saw the article on my news app off my iPhone.I have never once watched Jerry Springer.However many of the news stories being touted by the media would qualify
 
It isn’t normal to think you are not the sex you are born into.

Think about it.

A man who thinks he is a woman is not in touch with reality. He needs help.
 
I suppose my next question is why you feel you have the ability to judge? It’s okay for men to chest feed in some circumstances it would seem. And I assume you approve of “naturally” conceived children. And it’s also positive that someone is able to breastfeed. So wherein lies the issue?
 
The suicide rates for “trans” people are about the same post and pre op. Their minds need to a line with reality and not try to mutilate themselves to try and shape reality around their view of them selves.
 
Would the birth control pill not be responsible for producing fewer of the younger generation to be so affected? It has its inherent moral issues and is symptomatic of an over-sexualised culture but it’s the culture that breeds the violence etc…
 
I’m not taking your bait,pretty sure you know my opinion on this.I was responding to the OP question.
 
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People with androgen insensitivity normally can’t produce sperm.
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. Yes, that’s way I said typically. 🙂
… saying a y makes someone male seems odd. Why not say that two x’s makes them female? That would seem just as correct.
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Because XXY is genetically male.
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That’s not really an answer. That’s just saying “because”. Having two x chromosomes is genetically female, so that person could be female.
 
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