I am confused about this idea of sex reassignment surgery

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Or perhaps regret and subsequent depression? Or there were underlying issues that were never addressed, and the surgery was a mere “band-aid” for them? Or yes, discrimination could be a factor.

Like I said, the research hasn’t account for the reasons for morbidity and mortality. But from a psychosocial perspective, I’m not sure if there’s a rock-solid evidence basis for making SRS the go-to intervention for gender dysphoria.
 
Fact check to the “fact-checker”: Hormones are being given legally to children in the U.S. as young as age 13. We discussed this in another thread, right?
 
The devil doesn’t need rock solid evidence. He just needs people to believe his outrageous lies.
“Did God really say…?”
 
One recent study co-authored by Olson-Kennedy, published in the Journal of Adolescent Health, showed that her clinic is giving cross-sex hormones to kids as young as 12. This presses against the boundaries of the Endocrine Society’s guidelines, which state that while “there may be compelling reasons to initiate sex hormone treatment prior to age 16 years … there is minimal published experience treating prior to 13.5 to 14 years of age.”
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(From the July/August 2018 article in The Atlantic that I posted above.) While I maintain that 16 is still far too young to make such a life-altering decision, it is also happening to children younger than that as well. While it is not “supposed” to be done to such very young people, it does in fact happen.
 
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Or perhaps regret and subsequent depression? Or there were underlying issues that were never addressed, and the surgery was a mere “band-aid” for them? Or yes, discrimination could be a factor.

Like I said, the research hasn’t account for the reasons for morbidity and mortality. But from a psychosocial perspective, I’m not sure if there’s a rock-solid evidence basis for making SRS the go-to intervention for gender dysphoria.
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I think the research would have been better had it also used trans* people who’d been denied surgery. Not just hadn’t pursued it, as every transition is different, but actively denied.

I suppose I also haven’t seen any better programmes. One’s that seek to cure the mind come across heavily as akin to conversion camps, and seem actively harmful.
 
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One recent study co-authored by Olson-Kennedy, published in the Journal of Adolescent Health, showed that her clinic is giving cross-sex hormones to kids as young as 12. This presses against the boundaries of the Endocrine Society’s guidelines, which state that while “there may be compelling reasons to initiate sex hormone treatment prior to age 16 years … there is minimal published experience treating prior to 13.5 to 14 years of age.”
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“This presses against the boundaries of the Endocrine Society’s guidelines, which state that while “there may be compelling reasons to initiate sex hormone treatment prior to age 16 years.”

I’m glad my country listens to the endocrinologists.
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Your proposed design wouldn’t work in a Western country like Sweden for a number of reasons. First, this surgery isn’t denied in Sweden, and it’s not illegal in the Western world. Somebody saying that they are unable or unwilling to do the surgery isn’t an impediment when you can find someone else who can and will. The only other obstacle would be financial, but we face that with almost everything related to the health care in the U.S.

Finally, the underlying assumptions of your proposal are flawed. Our response to being denied something is indicative of much greater ramifications than just whether or not we get what we want. There are a lot of major life stressors that can strike, being denied a desired surgery being among them.

How we respond to such stressors stays a lot about our mental health. Some respond with disappointment and grief but resilience. In the worst cases, they respond with suicide ideation. The solution to that isn’t giving the suicidal person what s/he wants. If so, how will the person deal with the next life stressor? No, those who respond with suicidal ideation need counseling and perhaps medication to address their underlying psychological issues that lead to such a response.
 
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That’s not the DNA lying. That’s the body screwing up the implementation.

Someone who is XY is male, someone who is XX is female. Regardless of what their hormones or body parts indicate.
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Is there something in Scripture about a person being male if they have a Y chromosome? I must have missed it somehow. Is there even anything in the catechism that says that Intersex people are “men” if they have a Y chromosome?

There is no way that I could ever be convinced that the women in this photo with androgen insensitivity syndrome that someone posted on another thread are really “men” even thought they are XY. These aren’t people who had sex reassignment surgery or something like that. This is what they looked like after they grew up.

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So, how many million of those are there? 20, 30, 50, 100?

Sooner or later, I will learn that it is always a mistake to post in these threads.
 
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I would like to see those too because every time I read a physician’s account on these surgeries I read evidence that is not healthy, most patients regret having done it when they hit 35-40, those who regret it go through deep depression and commit suicide.
 
Comments like these are unhelpful, if you meant the word degeneracy… if it was a different word, I recant my statement.
 
I think The wisdom of Pope Francis is paramount here. We must distinguish between an ideology/lobby and a broken person who, through no fault of their own, carries the heavy cross of gender dysphoria.
 
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That’s not the DNA lying. That’s the body screwing up the implementation.

Someone who is XY is male, someone who is XX is female. Regardless of what their hormones or body parts indicate.
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Is there something in Scripture about a person being male if they have a Y chromosome? I must have missed it somehow. Is there even anything in the catechism that says that Intersex people are “men” if they have a Y chromosome?

There is no way that I could ever be convinced that the women in this photo with androgen insensitivity syndrome that someone posted on another thread are really “men” even thought they are XY. These aren’t people who had sex reassignment surgery or something like that. This is what they looked like after they grew up.

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First: I never said “men.” I said male. I’m not talking about the Bible or Catechism. Genetics says that whenever there is a Y Chromosome, the person is genetically a male.

People with Y Chromosomes can’t bare children in a womb because they don’t have a womb. But, typically can create sperm cells (though all XXY males are infertile and some XYY males are infertile).

Male and female is determined by the presence or lack there of the Y Chromosome.

Gender identity “dysphoria” is a real phenomenon, I do not deny that. But these people are genetically whatever their genes say.

A transgendered person who is genetically male is still subject to male pattern baldness (assuming he’s inherited it), etc.

Today, we can make a man look like a woman and woman look like a man, but we cannot change their genetic markers. A DNA test will still say their are male or female.

That’s my point. Note: I am NOT suggesting that we disrespect them etc.

Personally, I have no issue with a woman who is male going into the woman’s locker room if she had the sex reassignment surgery and looks like a woman when naked. She can shower, etc without issue. I see nothing wrong there.

However, I do take issue with the ones who still have the male sex organs entering the woman’s locker room.

This is why I’m for a public places to have a small “family” room that is often used by parents with kids, but can also be used by people with both parts.

God Bless
 
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You realize, of course, that intersex is not the same as transgender and an intersex person with androgen insensitivity disorder who is XY would nevertheless have the brain and outward physical body of a woman and would not experience gender dysphoria.
 
@theCardinalbird I read a book titled When Harry Became Sally and the author seemed to have quite a bit of data and research on this topic.
 
Episode 10 and 11 of this podcast may be helpful.

Fr Leo is a priest in public ministry, he is not controversial (well, at least not until this interview 🙂 )

ETA in this two part podcast he speaks with a Catholic person before their re-assignment surgery.

https://fatherleofeeds.com/podcast-shoot-the-shiitake/
 
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I think that’s one way to think about it, but I think it’s incomplete. It’s not just a measure of “feeling correctly.” The natural next step, which we see, is the aspect of relationship. Whether as friends or more, this takes the next step of “feeling correctly” and places it in direct relation with other people. More often than not, these relations can take a sexual nature, which supports my claim of chastity.
 
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