I am Gay and Engaged, I would return to the Church if Francis would acquiesce

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styrgwillidar said:
What puzzles me, is folks who believe the Church is wrong-- yet instead of finding an organization or Church that concurs on their position, they want the Church to change.
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đź‘Ť đź‘Ť and đź‘Ť

I’ve been saying this for years. :yup:
 
on_the_hill said:
đź‘Ť đź‘Ť and đź‘Ť

I’ve been saying this for years. :yup:
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Because subconsciously, they may feel that the Catholic Church is the real thing.

And if it did “change” to accommodate their favorite sin, it would be no better than the other faith bodies out there; but they don’t see that far.

ICXC NIKA
 
I asked my confessor, he dropped a bombshell:

As long as I am a good person, loving, caring, compassionate, etc., and I am faithful to my fiancé, I can have sex.
 
Zeldarocks2 said:
I asked my confessor, he dropped a bombshell:

As long as I am a good person, loving, caring, compassionate, etc., and I am faithful to my fiancé, I can have sex.
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Hey man. I’m sorry to hear that. Truly. Looks like you’re now gonna need a new confessor. :rolleyes:

Peace buddy.

-Trident
 
The confessor is not teaching what the Church is teaching. May the Holy Spirit enlighten him.
 
I don’t know if this is significant, but I thought it pertinent:

My confessor, who also said mass right after, did not lead the congregation through the “through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault” bit.
 
As a gay man struggling to live as a Roman Catholic and obey Her teachings:

I know. It’s really tough to offer this up. I wish this stuff was okay more than anyone. But I can’t change the reality of how sexuality works in the law of God, anymore than your confessor or even Pope Francis can. Eventually you’re going to have to make a choice here, and it’ll be so hard. But please know that I’m praying for you and the man you’re with.

If you want to privately message me, feel free to do so. Just like, if you need any company from other Catholics who happen to be gay and just want to talk or something. I couldn’t offer too much life advice, I’m still young and going through a lot of confusion myself. But talking is always good.
 
Christianus_Dei said:
As a gay man struggling to live as a Roman Catholic and obey Her teachings:

I know. It’s really tough to offer this up. I wish this stuff was okay more than anyone. But I can’t change the reality of how sexuality works in the law of God, anymore than your confessor or even Pope Francis can. Eventually you’re going to have to make a choice here, and it’ll be so hard. But please know that I’m praying for you and the man you’re with.

If you want to privately message me, feel free to do so. Just like, if you need any company from other Catholics who happen to be gay and just want to talk or something. I couldn’t offer too much life advice, I’m still young and going through a lot of confusion myself. But talking is always good.
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You said it buddy. đź‘Ť
 
Zeldarocks2 said:
I don’t know if this is significant, but I thought it pertinent:

My confessor, who also said mass right after, did not lead the congregation through the “through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault” bit.
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t is not uncommon for elderly priests who are losing their cognitive abilities to fumble parts of the Mass.
 
Zeldarocks2 said:
I should not be expected to leave my fiancé behind in order to return to the Sacraments, if the Pope can advice Re-married couples be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, then so should Homosexuals in cohabitation.
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I understand it upsets you. But believing that the Pope can change teachings that have been foundational dogma since the beginning only shows your lack of understanding of Church teaching. Regardless of who the couple is, in order for sex to be morally permissible according to Church teaching, two things must always and forever be present: 1) the unitive property (through the marital embrace only achieved by a man and a woman achieved only by the nature of their fitting parts) as well as the 2) procreative property (only achieved in physical conditions that can result in potential conception). One or both of these are absent in any conditions other than a married couple able to physically complete the marital act. Than includes same sex couples as well as unmarried couples, remarried couples (that were not granted an annulment) and even married couples who use artificiahl contraception). Sorry but those foundational dogma can’t be changed.

This also applies to heterosexual couples who physically can’t complete the marital act: they are not allowed to be married by a catholic priest if this is known beforehand.

So these teachings apply to everyone in the same way, not just same sex couples.
 
Zeldarocks2 said:
I asked my confessor, he dropped a bombshell:

As long as I am a good person, loving, caring, compassionate, etc., and I am faithful to my fiancé, I can have sex.
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I am not sure what confessor or priest said that but having sex with someone of the opposite gender is against God’s moral law. I am not sure if this priest is leaving the Catholic Church or not but having sex with your male fiance is a mortal sin and will cut off your relationship with Jesus. Don’t do this man. God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit is way more important than the earthly pleasures of this world. Homosexuality might be a heavy cross to bear but please do not succumb to the sexual temptations. Pray about this and also know that my prayers are going to you too. Let me know if you have any questions.
God Bless,
coolcolin03
 
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