I am Gay and Engaged, I would return to the Church if Francis would acquiesce

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This probably condemns me in the eyes of many in this forum, but I don’t care…

I am Gay, and I am engaged to the most loving man on the planet; though there might not be Sexual Complementarity, I believe there to be Emotional Complementarity.

The Church’s attitude toward Homosexual unions (not talking about marriage but sexual cohabitation) has alienated me, and driven me from the Church and from the Gospel.

I would gladly return to the Church, to the Eucharist, and to Our Lord and our Lady if Pope Francis were to acquiesce; I’m not asking him to bless Same-sex marriage, I’m asking him to compromise, to welcome the LGBT community as they are, whether they be in relationships or not.
 
Has not the Holy Father welcomed all sinners into the Church of sinners; but never acquiescing to the sin itself? What more do you want of him, before you deign to join us other sinners?

I would return to the Church if it only lay down and submitted to my will. Oh the arrogance of Truth! The hubris of the Holy Spirit!
 
I should not be expected to leave my fiancé behind in order to return to the Sacraments, if the Pope can advice Re-married couples be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, then so should Homosexuals in cohabitation.
 
Zeldarocks2 said:
I should not be expected to leave my fiancé behind in order to return to the Sacraments, if the Pope can advice Re-married couples be evaluated on a case-by-case basis, then so should Homosexuals in cohabitation.
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I can understand your quandary. Do I leave my lover, my friend, my fiance in exchange for the living body, blood, soul and divinity of Christ? What faith that would be! Is it too hard a choice?
For many of us, yes. But Christ in Luke 14; 26 demands it of us.-
“26 ‘If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters – yes, even their own life – such a person cannot be my disciple.”
This is indeed a hard saying but one replicated in Christ’s advice to the rich young man.
In Mark 10 we read:-
" Jesus said, “Truly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or brothers or sisters or mother or father or children or lands, for my sake and for the gospel, 30 who will not receive a hundredfold now in this time, houses and brothers and sisters and mothers and children and lands, with persecutions, and in the age to come eternal life. 31 But many who are first will be last, and the last first.”
Would I leave my wife if Christ demanded it? Why would He demand it of me, I would ask. That is a question we all must ask of all we hold dear if it is a barrier to coming to the Father; wealth, reputation, family. I cannot answer for you as I cannot say what my response would be. I would pray for both of us that that chalice not be offered.
But in your heart, from your post, that hard ask starts to grow.
 
Zeldarocks, please understand that God loves you and wants you to come back to Him, but the homosexual act is sin, and no one can change that, not even the Pope. By saying it is sin, I mean that it does damage to your relationship with God and others, and also damage to you and your partner. God knows that this activity is killing your souls, and He loves you both so much that He sacrificed Himself on the cross for you. If you care about your partner’s soul and your own, the most loving thing you can do is break off the engagement. You are not in too deep. You can still come back. You can always come back, but I imagine it will be much harder once you are in a formal union with this other man. Don’t carry this any further. You can do it. Pray, and God will help you. Jesus Christ is a real person, and communion with Him is worth more than anything. He longs to be with you in the Sacraments, but He can’t if you continue to push Him away. Even if a bishop or priest lets you receive the Eucharist, it will only harm you more if you are in grave sin. Have confidence in God and do the right thing. Go to confession. Run to God’s mercy. Follow Him, and He will guide you to eternal life.

You may see your partner one day in heaven, and if so, he will thank you for doing what you did, even if it hurt him at the time. Think of the big picture.
 
You could return to the Church, to the Eucharist, to Our Lord and to Our Lady if you were to acquiesce.

Pax Christi
 
Nogginer said:
Zeldarocks, please understand that God loves you and wants you to come back to Him, but the homosexual act is sin, and no one can change that, not even the Pope. By saying it is sin, I mean that it does damage to your relationship with God and others, and also damage to you and your partner. God knows that this activity is killing your souls, and He loves you both so much that He sacrificed Himself on the cross for you. If you care about your partner’s soul and your own, the most loving thing you can do is break off the engagement. You are not in too deep. You can still come back. You can always come back, but I imagine it will be much harder once you are in a formal union with this other man. Don’t carry this any further. You can do it. Pray, and God will help you. Jesus Christ is a real person, and communion with Him is worth more than anything. He longs to be with you in the Sacraments, but He can’t if you continue to push Him away. Even if a bishop or priest lets you receive the Eucharist, it will only harm you more if you are in grave sin. Have confidence in God and do the right thing. Go to confession. Run to God’s mercy. Follow Him, and He will guide you to eternal life.

You may see your partner one day in heaven, and if so, he will thank you for doing what you did, even if it hurt him at the time. Think of the big picture.
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Zeldarocks2 said:
This probably condemns me in the eyes of many in this forum, but I don’t care…

I am Gay, and I am engaged to the most loving man on the planet; though there might not be Sexual Complementarity, I believe there to be Emotional Complementarity.

The Church’s attitude toward Homosexual unions (not talking about marriage but sexual cohabitation) has alienated me, and driven me from the Church and from the Gospel.

I would gladly return to the Church, to the Eucharist, and to Our Lord and our Lady if Pope Francis were to acquiesce; I’m not asking him to bless Same-sex marriage, I’m asking him to compromise, to welcome the LGBT community as they are, whether they be in relationships or not.
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The Pope nor any priest will never tolerate any sinful act. But they will also not send you out if you decide to return to the fold because they know everyone inside are sinners. They will not acquiesce your sin but surely they will accept you and preach you God’s Words for you to repent.
 
The Catholic Church is simply conveying the truth given to it by Almighty God through the Scriptures & Tradition by saying homosexual acts are gravely sinful & intrinsically disordered. The Catholic Church doesn’t have the power to change this teaching since it doesn’t have the power to change the mind of Almighty God. The Church hasn’t alienated you anymore than it alienates adulterers, thieves, or pedophiles when it tells them that they are committing sin. It is up to you to accept the Church and her teachings and to not feel alienated any longer.

If you wish to partake once again of the Sacraments and go back to the state of grace to achieve Heaven, it will take the sacrifice of your engaged partner. It is difficult, but it is the only way. God & His Church are ready to accept you, but they are waiting for you to change.
 
I think Nogginer already said everything I’d like to say. But I just want to tell you OP that I’m a bisexual convert and I’ve had absolutely no problems in the Church. Nobody has judged me for being bisexual and most likely nobody ever will.

I don’t have any problems with the Church’s teachings about homosexual actions. I believe that Jesus still loves me despite my sexual orientation and he’s happy I’m following the Church’s rules though it’s not always easy.

I understand that our situations are different but staying chaste is the best thing you can do for yourself and your partner. Celibacy isn’t easy but with prayer it’s possible and many people (including me) live that way. Homosexual actions only kill your soul and make Jesus sad so there’s no reason why the Pope would tolerate it.
 
Let us all change timeless truths so that you come back
Sounds very arrogant to me to be quite honest
God I will do this if only you do this
Sorry but that just does not work.
 
chasingcars said:
I think Nogginer already said everything I’d like to say. But I just want to tell you OP that I’m a bisexual convert and I’ve had absolutely no problems in the Church. Nobody has judged me for being bisexual and most likely nobody ever will.

I don’t have any problems with the Church’s teachings about homosexual actions. I believe that Jesus still loves me despite my sexual orientation and he’s happy I’m following the Church’s rules though it’s not always easy.

I understand that our situations are different but staying chaste is the best thing you can do for yourself and your partner. Celibacy isn’t easy but with prayer it’s possible and many people (including me) live that way. Homosexual actions only kill your soul and make Jesus sad so there’s no reason why the Pope would tolerate it.
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Ditto. I mean to everything. Well said man.

Peace.

-Trident
 
If the Church has pushed solum sacramentum that much, who am I to contradict it?

In my life God’s grace comes through Scripture study including - very surprisingly indeed - on non-sexual subjects, and through intercession, evangelisation, non-sacramental catechesis, and a smidgeon of good works.

In every one of those situations there are other human beings involved.
 
Zeldarocks2 said:
This probably condemns me in the eyes of many in this forum, but I don’t care…

I am Gay, and I am engaged to the most loving man on the planet; though there might not be Sexual Complementarity, I believe there to be Emotional Complementarity.

The Church’s attitude toward Homosexual unions (not talking about marriage but sexual cohabitation) has alienated me, and driven me from the Church and from the Gospel.

I would gladly return to the Church, to the Eucharist, and to Our Lord and our Lady if Pope Francis were to acquiesce; I’m not asking him to bless Same-sex marriage, I’m asking him to compromise, to welcome the LGBT community as they are, whether they be in relationships or not.
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This has nothing to do with the Pope you know; he does not have the authority to “acquiesce” as you put it.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Forgive me, but…I have to ask you: How do you know that homosexual actions makes Jesus sad??

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Because it’s a grave sin and if one knows that (full knowledge) but still does it anyway (full consent) it’s a mortal sin. Homosexual sex contradicts the natural law and if it’s a mortal sin, it kills the soul of the sinner. God wants only the best for us and he doesn’t want us to hurt ourselves or others so it’s pretty safe to assume that He’s sad when we commit grave sins such as homosexual sex.
 
DaddyGirl said:
Forgive me, but…I have to ask you: How do you know that homosexual actions makes Jesus sad??

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All sin makes him sad.
Basic Catechism.
Why do you continually fight this?
Instead of showing false compassion how about living the Gospel life?

God doesn’t hate gay people. He wants ALL of us to stay in a state of grace.
 
pianistclare said:
All sin makes him sad.
Basic Catechism.
Why do you continually fight this?
Instead of showing false compassion how about living the Gospel life?

God doesn’t hate gay people. He wants ALL of us to stay in a state of grace.
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I don’t think DaddyGirl is Catholic. Yes, sin makes Jesus sad. Homosexual actions, like any sinful actions, makes Jesus sad because as Christians we understand that when He sees us hurt ourselves, He is unhappy. It’s a natural human emotion to be sad when a loved one hurts themselves. Jesus is human. He knows what it means to experience sorrow when someone He deeply cares about is hurting themsleves through what they are doing to themselves. Christians can grasp this concept because we understand that Jesus is not only God, but also human. Non-Christians should ask, and continue to ask these questions until hopefully some day they understand that Jesus is both fully God and fully man. To grasp this reality is truly wonderful. I pray everyone some day will also grasp this reality. 🙂
 
If one truly loves another person, they would never choose to do, or promote, anything that might cause that person to spend eternity in hell.
 
Zeldarocks2 said:
This probably condemns me in the eyes of many in this forum, but I don’t care…

I am Gay, and I am engaged to the most loving man on the planet; though there might not be Sexual Complementarity, I believe there to be Emotional Complementarity.

The Church’s attitude toward Homosexual unions (not talking about marriage but sexual cohabitation) has alienated me, and driven me from the Church and from the Gospel.

I would gladly return to the Church, to the Eucharist, and to Our Lord and our Lady if Pope Francis were to acquiesce; I’m not asking him to bless Same-sex marriage, I’m asking him to compromise, to welcome the LGBT community as they are, whether they be in relationships or not.
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Meditate on the Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ. His grace enables us to pick up our cross and follow Him. Our Lord stopped at nothing to provide for all of us to obey His commands.

Pope Francis cannot change anything to do with what the Voice of Christ (the Church) teaches us with regard to faith and morals.

There are many different kinds of crosses beside the one you mention in your post.

With God all things are possible. We can rise above our fallen nature and receive all He has for us.
 
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