I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes

[sandusky]

cfrancis:

You’d do well to stop reading into Paul’s words, or rather, cutting out that which you do not like! Paul is consistent from Rom 1 to Rom 16: sin has the power to sever our relationship with God. That is quite a stretch to interpret “created things” in Rom 8 with sin!

The believer is secure in Christ. Even in Romans 11, while the exhortation is strong, it’s conditioned on continuing in God’s kindness—the true believer will continue in faith, and in God’s kindness.

As I posted earlier in the thread, also from Romans 8:30, Paul states that those God justified (in eternity past), HE ALSO glorified (in eternity past); therefore, the justified believer will neither reject, nor cut himself off from God because God has decreed his glorification.

 

[Reformed]

Now this is progress! You’ve come to see that you cannot isolate select verses from the rest of Scripture! Excellent! NOw you will be able to see the fullness of Paul’s message, which coincides with Christ’s, which coincides with Catholic teaching! This is truly a breakthrough! Good job, Reformed!

I am encouraging everyone to read all of the Epistles of Paul in context. This may take awhile for some of us. Please present the gospel of God’s grace using only the Epistles of Paul when you are done. I did create a new thread called “Sirs, what must I do to be saved”. That question was directed to the Apostle Paul.

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Here’s a good challenge for everyone. Start with the book of Romans, then 1 Cor, 2 Cor, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Col, 1 Thes, 2 Thes, 1 Tim, 2 Tim, Titus, and Philemon. I really believe if you prayfully read through all of Paul’s work in context, you will understand why the Protestant Reformers left the Roman Catholic Church. If we all continue to pick verses out of context, some of us will miss the truth of the gospel of God’s grace which is such a glorious gospel!

But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. - Rom 10

 

[cfrancis]

I am encouraging everyone to read all of the Epistles of Paul in context. This may take awhile for some of us. Please present the gospel of God’s grace using only the Epistles of Paul when you are done. I did create a new thread called “Sirs, what must I do to be saved”. That question was directed to the Apostle Paul.

I will type slowly as you seem to have trouble comprehending what we post:

We have done exactly as you request for over 30 pages on this thread!

Really! Go back and read our posts and you will clearly see Paul’s teachings contradicting your beliefs!

 

[Reformed]

I will type slowly as you seem to have trouble comprehending what we post:

We have done exactly as you request for over 30 pages on this thread!

Really! Go back and read our posts and you will clearly see Paul’s teachings contradicting your beliefs!

Now try to respond kindly. Better yet, try taking the Catholic Challenge that I posted and get back to me when you are done. Reading through all 13 Epistles of Paul in context is a good thing for all of us.

 

[cfrancis]

Now try to respond kindly.

says the pot to the kettle!

Better yet, try taking the Catholic Challenge that I posted and get back to me when you are done. Reading through all 13 Epistles of Paul in context is a good thing for all of us.

As I’ve read through the Pauline epistles and have found nothing that contradicts Catholic teaching, but much that contradicts your beliefs, I suggest you read through the entire NT, a far better thing for all of us!

 

[Reformed]

says the pot to the kettle!
As I’ve read through the Pauline epistles and have found nothing that contradicts Catholic teaching, but much that contradicts your beliefs, I suggest you read through the entire NT, a far better thing for all of us!

I think you will find Protestants reading the Bible more frequently than Roman Catholics. After-all, our divine revelation is contained in the Holy Bible. In contrast, your divine revelation is much much much larger in content than ours.

 

[Love_is_Patient]

I think you will find Protestants reading the Bible more frequently than Roman Catholics. After-all, our divine revelation is contained in the Holy Bible. In contrast, your divine revelation is much much much larger in content than ours.

I invite you to go to Mass this Sunday, Reformed. There you will hear (and read, if you like) the Bible. We have a reading from the Old Testament, a Psalm, a New Testament reading (often from St. Paul’s epistles) and a Gospel reading. And, many of the other prayers during the Mass also come from the Bible. In fact, PM me your email address, and I’d be thrilled to send you a file containing all the Biblical references in the prayers at Mass.

We the Bible!

God bless,

Love is Patient

P.S. Go to Mass every Sunday for three years, and you’ll hear most of the Bible. Catholics believe that “faith comes from hearing.”

 

[Crystal_H]

I think you will find Protestants reading the Bible more frequently than Roman Catholics. After-all, our divine revelation is contained in the Holy Bible. In contrast, your divine revelation is much much much larger in content than ours.

WHAT? Have you ever attended Mass before? As preveious posters have stated, Our Mass is full of the scriptures. Every morning many families start with the book of Christian prayer. And will do parts of the Liturgy of the Hours.
Today it is… from Isaiah 1:16-18

FULL of Scripture. I invite you to come and participate at our daily Mass .

YOU HAVE NO CLUE.

Our divine revelation is from scripture.
The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth
1 Timothy 3: 15

 

[Reformed]

I invite you to go to Mass this Sunday, Reformed. There you will hear (and read, if you like) the Bible. We have a reading from the Old Testament, a Psalm, a New Testament reading (often from St. Paul’s epistles) and a Gospel reading. And, many of the other prayers during the Mass also come from the Bible. In fact, PM me your email address, and I’d be thrilled to send you a file containing all the Biblical references in the prayers at Mass.

We the Bible!

God bless,

Love is Patient

P.S. Go to Mass every Sunday for three years, and you’ll hear most of the Bible. Catholics believe that “faith comes from hearing.”

I’ve been to quite a few Masses in my days. I’ve also been to Catholic weddings too. I even partook in the Eucharist too. I’m an old man at 47. When I was in college, my roomate for two years was Roman Catholic. When I got out of college I rented a house with his twin brother who is now a Roman Catholic Priest in San Juan Capistrano, CA. But thanks for the invite. I don’t mean to be hostile or uncharitable, but I also have known many LDS Christians in my life too. They too read the Bible in their services.

 

[Love_is_Patient]

I’ve been to quite a few Masses in my days. I’ve also been to Catholic weddings too. I even partook in the Eucharist too. I’m an old man at 47. When I was in college, my roomate for two years was Roman Catholic. When I got out of college I rented a house with his twin brother who is now a Roman Catholic Priest in San Juan Capistrano, CA. But thanks for the invite. I don’t mean to be hostile or uncharitable, but I also have known many LDS Christians in my life too. They too read the Bible in their services.

Then I ask you to please, in the spirit of charity, to rescind your claim that we don’t read the Bible as much as Protestants.

I’d also ask you to please stop comparing Catholics to the LDS, who are not Christians. It’s extremely offensive to Catholics. I’m sure you probably weren’t aware of that, so please, in the future, refrain from doing so.

God bless,
Love is Patient

 

[Reformed]

Then I ask you to please, in the spirit of charity, to rescind your claim that we don’t read the Bible as much as Protestants.

I’d also ask you to please stop comparing Catholics to the LDS, who are not Christians. It’s extremely offensive to Catholics. I’m sure you probably weren’t aware of that, so please, in the future, refrain from doing so.

God bless,
Love is Patient

Do you know how many times I have been called a heretic on this site? Doesn’t the CC state that you are able to merit for yourself salvation? I used to own a copy of the CC, and the Companion to the CC. I can find it on line too.

 

[Love_is_Patient]

Do you know how many times I have been called a heretic on this site? Doesn’t the CC state that you are able to merit for yourself salvation? I used to own a copy of the CC, and the Companion to the CC. I can find it on line too.

Will you rescind your statement that Catholics don’t read the Bible as much as Protestants?

Will you stop comparing us to the non-Christian LDS?

Do you know how many times I’ve been on the receiving end of anti-Catholic rhetoric from Protestants–offline?

Reformed, while I understand how much it hurts to be called a heretic or non-Christian, I ask you to please stop saying things like “Doesn’t the CC state that you are able to merit for yourself salvation?” It’s misstating the truth. Accidentally, I’m sure. Please stop. Be fair to us.

Love is Patient

 

[Reformed]

Will you rescind your statement that Catholics don’t read the Bible as much as Protestants?

Will you stop comparing us to the non-Christian LDS?

Do you know how many times I’ve been on the receiving end of anti-Catholic rhetoric from Protestants–offline?

Reformed, while I understand how much it hurts to be called a heretic or non-Christian, I ask you to please stop saying things like “Doesn’t the CC state that you are able to merit for yourself salvation?” It’s misstating the truth. Accidentally, I’m sure. Please stop. Be fair to us.

Love is Patient

2027 No one can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.

2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man’s free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man’s merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.

CANON XXXII.-If any one saith, that the good works of one that is justified are in such manner the gifts of God, as that they are not also the good merits of him that is justified; or, that the said justified, by the good works which he performs through the grace of God and the merit of Jesus Christ, whose [Page 49] living member he is, does not truly merit increase of grace, eternal life, and the attainment of that eternal life,-if so be, however, that he depart in grace,-and also an increase of glory; let him be anathema.

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Galatians 4:16

Have I then become your enemy by telling you the truth?

 

[ryanoneil]

Okay, please share how a converted Roman Catholic can be lost if it’s not for personal sin? I know you do not believe in a forensic justification through imputation.

Sin is the only way (I can think of) that a saved person can lose their salvation.

but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again? (Gal. 4:9)

For freedom Christ set us free; so stand firm and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery. It is I, Paul, who am telling you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. Once again I declare to every man who has himself circumcised that he is bound to observe the entire law. You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.(Gal 5:1-4)

This warning applies to those who are connected to Christ in faith. We can be in Christ, then be severed from Him and fall away from God’s grace. You cannot be severed from something unless you were previously connected to it.

Now I am reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you indeed received and in which you also stand. Through it you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, unless you believed in vain. (1 Cor 15:1-2)

Working together, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
(2 Cor 6:1)

we can receive the grace of God then choose not to cooperate with it. (Lose our salvation)

 

[Reformed]

Sin is the only way (I can think of) that a saved person can lose their salvation.

but now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and destitute elemental powers? Do you want to be slaves to them all over again? (Gal. 4:9)

For freedom Christ set us free; so stand firm and do not submit again to the yoke of slavery. It is I, Paul, who am telling you that if you have yourselves circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. Once again I declare to every man who has himself circumcised that he is bound to observe the entire law. You are separated from Christ, you who are trying to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.(Gal 5:1-4)

This warning applies to those who are connected to Christ in faith. We can be in Christ, then be severed from Him and fall away from God’s grace. You cannot be severed from something unless you were previously connected to it.

**Now I am reminding you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you indeed received and in which you also stand. Through it you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you, **unless you believed in vain. (1 Cor 15:1-2)

Working together, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
(2 Cor 6:1)

we can receive the grace of God then choose not to cooperate with it. (Lose our salvation)

Do you agree that all Christians grieve the Spirit and sin against God as adopted children? When you take the apostasy verses such as Hebrews 6, there is no return to the Faith. So, at one point does a Catholic loose their salvation? And once you are no longer ingrafted into Christ, can you return to the Faith according to Roman Catholic doctrine? If a Catholic falls away and is reunited to Christ, is this considered a second new birth?

Hebrews 6

6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 and of instruction about washings, [1] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.

9 Though we speak in this way, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things—things that belong to salvation. 10 For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do. 11 And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness to have the full assurance of hope until the end, 12 so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Gal 2

11 See with what large letters I am writing to you with my own hand. 12 It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh who would force you to be circumcised, and only in order that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. 13 For even those who are circumcised do not themselves keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh. 14 But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which [2] the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world. 15 For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. 16 And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

17 From now on let no one cause me trouble, for I bear on my body the marks of Jesus.

18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit, brothers. Amen

I hope we all understand that circumcision is an Old Testament Sacrament.

 

[ryanoneil]

Do you agree that all Christians grieve the Spirit and sin against God as adopted children?

Probably, but who am I to judge.

All as in Enoch and Elijah who died? For just as in Adam all die, so too in Christ shall all be brought to life (1 Cor. 15:22)

OR?

all have sinned and are deprived of the glory of God. (Rom 3:23)

When you take the apostasy verses such as Hebrews 6, there is no return to the Faith.

Just like it was impossible for the rich man to be saved?

Jesus looked at them and said, “For human beings this is impossible, but for God all things are possible.” (Mat 19:26)

So, at one point does a Catholic loose their salvation?

Why ask about Catholics, when you can ask Paul about the Galatians who where set free by Christ? (Gal 5:1)

Now the works of the flesh are obvious: immorality, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, rivalry, jealousy, outbursts of fury, acts of selfishness, dissensions, factions, occasions of envy, drinking bouts, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Gal 5:19-21)

And once you are no longer ingrafted into Christ, can you return to the Faith according to Roman Catholic doctrine?

Ask Paul.

Whomever you forgive anything, so do I. For indeed what I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for you in the presence of Christ (2 Cor. 2:10)

And all this is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and given us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting their trespasses against them and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, as if God were appealing through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. (2 Cor. 5:18)

If a Catholic falls away and is reunited to Christ, is this considered a second new birth?

No. Paul refers to baptism, but I can’t find any that refer to only being baptized once.

hope we all understand that circumcision is an Old Testament Sacrament.

Yes.

In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not administered by hand, by stripping off the carnal body, with the circumcision of Christ. You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. And even when you were dead (in) transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, he brought you to life along with him, having forgiven us all our transgressions (Col. 2:11-13)

SO ALL “ ing” ASIDE, that is the best I can do being limited to the words of Paul. I’d be happy to answer more directly but then I’d be breaking the rules. (I’m happy to play along)

 

[Reformed]

I really don’t think most Roman Catholics want to learn from God through the Scriptures. It seems that it is more important for Catholics to twist the Scriptures to fit what the Magestrium teaches them to believe.

Hebrews 6

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, and of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits. For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.

A Worker Approved by God - 2 Tim 2

Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

 

[ryanoneil]

Hebrews 6

6:1 Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 and of instruction about washings, [1] the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. 3 And this we will do if God permits. 4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. 7 For land that has drunk the rain that often falls on it, and produces a crop useful to those for whose sake it is cultivated, receives a blessing from God. 8 But if it bears thorns and thistles, it is worthless and near to being cursed, and its end is to be burned.

9 Though we speak in this way, yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things—things that belong to salvation. 10 For God is not unjust so as to overlook your work and the love that you have shown for his name in serving the saints, as you still do. 11 And we desire each one of you to show the same earnestness to have the full assurance of hope until the end, 12 so that you may not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

If you look really hard you will find Paul is reminding them that they cannot be renewed again by baptism. Also, it is very hard or seldom happens (“impossible” like the rich man entering the kingdom) that someone who commits such a heinous sins as apostacy will repent.

And even though he had just admonished them, he hopes the best for them (Knowing God will not overlook their work and the love) He wants them to keep the faith and endure to the end.

I Hope that helps.

 

[ryanoneil]

I really don’t think most Roman Catholics want to learn from God through the Scriptures. It seems that it is more important for Catholics to twist the Scriptures to fit what the Magestrium teaches them to believe.

(PLEASE NOTE I’m not saying that Hebrews 6 is talking exclusively about baptism, but it is definately there.

Hebrews 6

Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

And why does Paul say “not laying again a foundation of repentence”? Because they already knew the elementary doctrine of Christ.

Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures. And he said to them, “Thus it is written that the Messiah would suffer and rise from the dead on the third day and that repentance, for the forgiveness of sins, would be preached in his name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And (behold) I am sending the promise of my Father upon you; but stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” (Luke 24:45-49)

Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age." (Mat 28:19-20)

Peter (said) to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38)

and of instruction about washings,

Now, why delay? Get up and have yourself baptized and your sins washed away, calling upon his name.’ (Act 22:16)

let us approach with a sincere heart and in absolute trust, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed in pure water. (Heb 10:22)

**That is what some of you used to be; but now you have had yourselves washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor. 6:11) **

the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits.

**So Ananias went and entered the house; laying his hands on him, he said, “Saul, my brother, the Lord has sent me, Jesus who appeared to you on the way by which you came, that you may regain your sight and be filled with the holy Spirit.” Immediately things like scales fell from his eyes and he regained his sight. He got up and was baptized (Acts 9:17 -18) **

We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life. (Rom 6:4)

You were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. (Col. 2:12)

For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,

for John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the holy Spirit." (Act 1:5)

Peter (said) to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38)

and I remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said, ‘John baptized with water but you will be baptized with the holy Spirit.’ (Acts 11:16)

not because of any righteous deeds we had done but because of his mercy, he saved us through the bath of rebirth and renewal by the holy Spirit, (Titus 3:5)

I think I better stop there. Infact, why don’t you forget I even compaired this scripture with Hebrews 6.

Instead, how about you explain the meaning of the verses I provided. (minus Acts of course)

What is the gospel of God’s grace according to the Apostle Paul?

 

[Reformed]

I really don’t intentionally mean to be offensive, but when I discuss the Scriptures with Roman Catholic Christians, it’s very similar to discussing the Scriptures with LDS Christians. Please let me explain. Since both LDS Christians and Roman Catholic Christians reject the Holy Scriptures as the final authority from God pertaining to all things to the Faith, they both do not come to the Scriptures to find truth. For the Mormon, truth is ultimately found through the Mormon Church. For the Roman Catholic Christian, truth is ultimately found through the Roman Catholic Church. Both religious institutions claim a form of apostolic succession to nullify the final authority and light of the Holy Scripture.

Now back to the OP. If my understanding is correct, the Roman Catholic Gospel is salvation through the 7 catholic sacraments. Our new birth is through water baptism. To make things simple, let’s leave off Hebrews unless Roman Catholicism considers Hebrews to be written by Paul as Catholic dogma.

Please proclaim the Roman Catholic gospel (good news) using the 13 Epistles of Paul. I’m saying it can’t be done. When I’m speaking about the gospel, it is the answer to the question of “Sirs, what must I do to be saved”.

We all know in part. But to intentionally twist the writings of Paul to fit a person’s theology is a sin. Please pray to be teachable by God the Holy Spirit through the Scriptures. The Roman Catholic Church is not the Holy Spirit.

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Final Words

Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, take care that you are not carried away with the error of lawless people and lose your own stability. But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
2 Peter 3