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Lisa N:
Wow! sounds like the Holy Spirit to me,
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SirShaun
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When I was 16, I said I had three major protests against the Catholic Church, and if someone could provide reasonable arguments for any two of them, I’d take the third on faith.
Since then I’ve gotten married, so I’ve had to amend the challenge a little… but needless to say I haven’t had reasonable answers to any of them, despite years of research and investigation. I was attracted to the Catholic Church for a variety of reasons, but at this time prefer to identify myself as a non-denominational (or, to those who know me well, anti-denominational) protestant who hopes to see the differences between Eastern and Western, as well as Catholic and Protestant, resolved in a universal, loving, and logical way.
I guess part of me hopes to find the answers to those same three questions on here, somewhere, hidden amongst the same old rhetoric, but mostly I like to read the opinions of those who are smarter than me but hold a different opinion, and see if I can make their understanding fit what I observe as truth.
Since then I’ve gotten married, so I’ve had to amend the challenge a little… but needless to say I haven’t had reasonable answers to any of them, despite years of research and investigation. I was attracted to the Catholic Church for a variety of reasons, but at this time prefer to identify myself as a non-denominational (or, to those who know me well, anti-denominational) protestant who hopes to see the differences between Eastern and Western, as well as Catholic and Protestant, resolved in a universal, loving, and logical way.
I guess part of me hopes to find the answers to those same three questions on here, somewhere, hidden amongst the same old rhetoric, but mostly I like to read the opinions of those who are smarter than me but hold a different opinion, and see if I can make their understanding fit what I observe as truth.
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RiverRock
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Hi BlessedBe! Yes, but you still can’t stay away from this Catholic website! Very interesting…
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Lisa4Catholics
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Good observation
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Catholic4aReasn
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Hi Sir Shaun!
I haven’t read all 100-something posts yet. Are your 3 questions in there somewhere?
In Christ,
Nancy
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LittleDeb
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SirShaun please start a thread asking one of your questions and let’s go from there. The question I ask my dear friend, who is an athiest/agnostic/skeptic on any given day is, “What would it take for you to believe?” His answer is usually something like, “For this jesus of yours to come to me personally and tell me.” My answer: “Great! What would you like Him to be wearing so you will recognize Him?” He has never answered that. 
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In hope,
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AnAtheist
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Heathen Dawn:
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This is one of the best metaphors I have ever seen!
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BlessedBe13
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Point being?
I am secure enough in my faith that I can visit sites and learn about other religions without my own faith being shaken.
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RiverRock
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Your signature says it all. Your heart is in the right place, but it’s time for your brain to wake up and realize the faith you reject is the true faith. Deep down I think you know that it is. Otherwise why else would you type post after post here? As a devout Catholic, I don’t spend lots of time on Jehovahs Witness websites. It’s okay, really. I don’t want you to leave. Just maybe you’ll come home one day. Holy Mother Church will be waiting for you.
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No, they aren’t. Right now, I’m just mostly lurking. If they’ve been addressed in a way that would satisfy me, I’d rather find them than post them (personality quirk of mine.)Hi Sir Shaun!
I haven’t read all 100-something posts yet. Are your 3 questions in there somewhere?
In Christ,
Nancy
Also, like I said, I’ve had to ammend the challenge quite a bit since then (a lot happens in 10 years…marriage, migration, and mortgage.)
At this point, if I were convinced of all three, I would have to talk to my wife about considering the Church. We did already talk briefly at one time about considering the Eastern Orthodox churches, seeing as two of the three questions are non-issues with them, and the third seems open to debate.
Just so I’m not accused of being rude, I’ll give a summary of them, though the details of my questions go deeper than I’d express here and it usually takes three or four attempts of people answering the wrong aspects of these questions before they even start down the right path. The questions relate to:
*]The infalibility of the Pope/Church
*]The immaculate conception of the Virgin Mary
*]Transubstation
Which, basically, makes my objections among the more typical protestant objections… which is why contrary to many non-denominationalists, I have no issues with being identified as a protestant.
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BlessedBe13
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The fact that it is the true faith is the opinion of the followers of the faith. My brain did wake up and that is why I left Christianity - I realized I did not believe in it, and so why should I bother pretending - that would be lying.
Deep down I knew that it wasn’t and that is why I’m not Christian anymore.
Discussion. I originally came here because I had done a search on Wiccan forums, and this site came up with an anti-Wicca thread, so I am on to comment and attempt to clear up misconceptions people have about it.
That’s fine, you don’t have to go to other religions’ forums. I simply said that if one is secure enough in their faith, it wouldn’t make a difference.
I am home.
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Sorry duplicate.
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BlessedBe13
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That is nice to know (not sarcasm).
But I am not confused. This is something that I have and still put a lot of thought into.
As I said, I am home. I had a very nice and blessed Yule and plan on having an equally nice Christmas this weekend.
I hope you and everyone here has a Merry Christmas.
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Exporter
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You will understand this. In your excursion through different Churches Could it be that you are just looking at the exteriors, the obvious decorations? You mention youd go for an Eastern Orthodox with an American flavor…sounds like you are selecting which resturant to go to. Instead of reading Summa Theologica to learn about the Catholic Church it may be better to find a Baltimore Catechism or a similar instructional book. As you know, it is rare, the person who can glean a Religion from reading the Bible.
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jako
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I was’nt going to post on this thread but now feel I must. Jesus, the son of God, was sent by His Father to live and ultimately sacrifice Himself for us. The Old Testament Saints had the law to live up to and a Saviour to look forward to. We have Christ our Saviour to look back to and up to. Because of our sins Jesus died, this is an awesome statement. Just stop and think on that for a minute, for our sins, my sins. Jesus freely gave Himself to die and pay the price for sin. If we reject this free gift we are deserving of hell. If God is a just God then there must be payment for the rejection of His Sons blood. Jesus was the Creator. He then sacrificed for His creation because He loves us. Following Him is not a chore or a burden, I follow Him because it is truly a pleasure to do so for my Saviour. He was completely innocent of sin but I was and am completely guilty of my sins, yet he chose to take my place. I’ll follow Him wherever He takes me.
I am a Catholic.
I am a Catholic.
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flameburns623
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Exporter said:
Y’all should try posting in forums like these after working night shifts a lot. Funny what it does to your memory. I didn’t recall posting the quote you cited at all.
Anyhow: the sense of your response was somewhat mangled. You seem to have started in mid-thought and then capitalized in the middle of another sentence.
Anyhow I own a Baltimore Catechism. And a Catechism of the Catholic Church. And a one-volume edition of a book entitled ‘Catholicism’. And a book by Hans Kung called “Does God Exist?”, from 'way before they ecommunicated him, apparently for writing huge books that never make any sense. (I read the whole book, several times. He never bothers to answer his own question which he asked in the title of his book. Expends acres of forestry however on why every atheist who ever lived wasn’t quite an atheist however). I own a tattered yellow book entitled ‘Decrees of the Council of Trent’ or something like that. A read-and-white book which has a collection of creeds, called something like “The Church Teaches”. Some pamphlets by Michael Davies. I’m looking at a couple of books as I sit here by someone named Robert Sungenis. Which have gone largely unread for some reason. I’ll read 'em eventually. I’d have to dig around in boxes to see what other Catholic books I have in my library.
Wanna know what I have in my Anglican library? Or what I have on Eastern Orthodoxy? (Actually I’m told the things I have on Orthodoxy aren’t especially good intros to the topic–Fr. Ambrose suggested better ones but I haven’t bought many books lately). Anyhow I’ve read a little bit about Roman Catholicism. I’d go back to Mormonism, I think, before I’d be Roman Catholic. Actually the LDS Church is pretty much a perfectly-designed church, if one doesn’t look too hard at it’s theology or origins.
Hope this isn’t distracting too much from the purpose of the thread. They’re getting pretty strict about that these days.
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Veronica Anne:
The point is to keep in mind that the answers you get from any one pagan don’t apply to all pagans. Thelemites are quite different from Traditional Druids who are quite different from the eclectic witchcraft traditions and so on…
(I hope you don’t mind me butting in)
One thing to keep in mind is that the pagan beliefs are incredibly diverse. Personally I don’t consider myself a pagan but my ex-wife is. I consider myself an iconoclast but I have some insight into pagan religions.
The point is to keep in mind that the answers you get from any one pagan don’t apply to all pagans. Thelemites are quite different from Traditional Druids who are quite different from the eclectic witchcraft traditions and so on…
(I hope you don’t mind me butting in)
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I am proudly Catholic, but picked the last option since I wanted to see the results of the poll and could not unless I voted 
. Is there another way I could have viewed the results so far without voting?
It is not totally false, I did fall away and did return home. I found my way with a parish program called “Re-membering”.
. Is there another way I could have viewed the results so far without voting?It is not totally false, I did fall away and did return home. I found my way with a parish program called “Re-membering”.
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