I am planning on attending Mass at an SSPX chapel with a conservative friend

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Its a public board. If you wanted everyonez opinion to match yours, you did the wrong thing by posting here. People are criticized for anything

And the division sspx seems to cause makes makes me suspicious of it. Im not going to apologise for stating I dont like how the sspx operated for decades.

I never said you have. To agree with my “private judgement” I suspect you might have started this thread to stir the pot. Now you use it to try to justify your decision. Leave me out of that process…
 
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catholicworker1922 said:
So I will attend with my conservative friend. We have friendly arguments all the time, but I do care for him. My question for this thread is: What should I look out for that would be scandalous or which would be something to discuss with him later? What are some concerns I might share with him after Mass? I believe this a good chance to open dialogue and change attitudes.
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If you attend only once, you will most likely not run into any scandalous stuff. While I’ve never been to a SSPX chapel, you can’t paint each Chapel & each person who attends them with the same brush.
 
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The only downside of the SSPX is that there aren’t enough chapels. Good decision on attending; your NO Mass will feel like a grade school pantomime of liturgy by comparison.
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This seems a rather mean-spirited thing to say considering that Holy Mother Church Herself approves of the NO Mass, and our last three popes have offered Mass in the Ordinary Form all over the world.

Did you learn this kind of thing–insulting Holy Mother Church–in the SSPX?? If so, I am not impressed with SSPX.
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While it is not in all cases a good decision to hear Mass at the SSPX chapels, we are permitted to hear Mass in these chapels and receive absolution there for our spiritual good. I do not believe their offerings fulfill a person’s Sunday obligation, but that is a different concern; the SSPX priest STILL offer the Mass of Ages.

While our last three popes have offered Mass according to the Missa Paulina, they have not offered it in English nor like many parishes where you can hear it offered in the world. The Missa Paulina is still typically offered in Rome with reverence and custom.
 
I cannot understand how a Catholic can attend a Mass celebrated by a group that considers the ordinary form of the Mass ‘evil’.
 
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I daresay you will find that the SSPX has similar issues with Catholics not in the SSPX.
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The SSPX priests do not obligate the lay folk to go to coffee socials to be grilled on status, affiliations, and doctrinal issues. You’re free to hear Mass, receive absolution and remain unknown.
 
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I do not believe their offerings fulfill a person’s Sunday obligation, but that is a different concern;
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In 2003, Msgr. Camille Perl of the Pontifical Council Ecclesia Dei (PCED) said
“In the strict sense you may fulfill your Sunday obligation by attending a Mass celebrated by a priest of the Society of St. Pius X.”

He did add that he wasn’t recommending one do so.
 
Can you point to a source from a single member of the SSPX who has labeled the OF evil ?

To claim the OF is evil would be blasphemous. So in essence you are accusing the SSPX of that without providing evidence of such.
 
CradleRC58 said:
Can you point to a source from a single member of the SSPX who has labeled the OF evil ?

To claim the OF is evil would be blasphemous. So in essence you are accusing the SSPX of that without providing evidence of such.
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It’s about the first thing that comes up in Google on this topic.

Now, even if one wanted to contest the heretical elements of the New Mass, the sole refusal to profess Catholic dogmas quintessential to the Mass renders the new liturgy deficient. It is like a captain who refuses to provide his shipmen with a proper diet. They soon become sick with scurvy due, not so much to direct poison, as from vitamin deficiency. Such is the New Mass. At best, it provides a deficient spiritual diet to the faithful. The correct definition of evil—lack of a due good—clearly shows that the New Mass is evil in and of itself regardless of the circumstances. It is not evil by positive profession of heresy. It is evil by lacking what Catholic dogma should profess: the True Sacrifice, the Real Presence, the ministerial priesthood. This deficiency had already been denounced by Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci months before the New Mass was promulgated:
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FiveLinden said:
Yes this is the standard SSPX opinion. It is repeated again and again. They do not deny the validity of the ordinary form, but consider the form itself ‘evil’. Hence my incredulity that a Catholic would wish to attend.
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There are a huge number of Catholics who share your incredulity on this point. As well as others.
 
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Yes this is the standard SSPX opinion. It is repeated again and again. They do not deny the validity of the ordinary form, but consider the form itself ‘evil’. Hence my incredulity that a Catholic would wish to attend.
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Why doesn’t the Pope feel the same way you feel about this topic? Or the Pope Emeritus? Please explain.
 
Ok, fair enough. I didn’t know they had that on their website.

I think they are very wrong in stating that.
 
catholicworker1922 said:
To be clear, however, the FSSP say the same thing. I do not know if they are explicit about it, but they advise people not to attend the new mass at all. They are also fully endorsed by the Vatican.
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Do you have a written source to back up this claim you make about the FSSP saying the OF is “evil” or otherwise telling people “not to attend the new Mass at all”?
 
Well, if we look at the Order of the Mass of each form on paper side by side, what evil do we see in the OF ?

The word evil is not a good choice to describe a Mass that includes readings from Scripture, the Gloria, the Creed, the Consecration, the Sanctus, etc.

Other terms can be used to indicate a dissatisfaction with the OF of course. Cardinal Ratzinger called the OF banal. But evil is a bit much imo.
 
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