I am thinking of becoming a Baptist..

[Angels_Unaware]

You say that because you have not yet experienced it, precious one.

Well, it’s nice you think I’m precious, but you’re wrong, and to make such a statement is curiously presumptuous of you.

I was raised in a non-Christian religion and invited Jesus into my heart and was baptized at the age of 18. It would benefit you to understand why I am Catholic simply to broaden your mind and deepen your understanding of Christianity and let go of some of the wrong thinking that prevents you from seeing people in a balanced way. The problem is, I am not all that interested in explaining it to you. Maybe you will listen to one of the other testimonies posted.

As for the Bible quotes you’ve quote, I considered a Quote War, since you’ve ignored the words of Christ in Revelation Chapter 3, and ignored many other texts, but you have sooo many listed, (kind of like when children play the card game war, you get that huge stack of cards) I doubt you’ll consider the opposing evidence. So I’ll just leave that job to someone else and go to bed.

Good night.

 

[nbtb1348]

Well, it’s nice you think I’m precious, but you’re wrong, and to make such a statement is curiously presumptuous of you.

I was raised in a non-Christian religion and invited Jesus into my heart and was baptized at the age of 18. It would benefit you to understand why I am Catholic simply to broaden your mind and deepen your understanding of Christianity and let go of some of the wrong thinking that prevents you from seeing people in a balanced way. The problem is, I am not all that interested in explaining it to you. Maybe you will listen to one of the other testimonies posted.

As for the Bible quotes you’ve quote, I considered a Quote War, since you’ve ignored the words of Christ in Revelation Chapter 3, and ignored many other texts, but you have sooo many listed, (kind of like when children play the card game war, you get that huge stack of cards) I doubt you’ll consider the opposing evidence. So I’ll just leave that job to someone else and go to bed.

Good night.

Yes, I don’t blame you from running from that many verses. I won’t cast those pearls in front of you again. But you are precious in His sight. And if you seek to know one day, you will be able to read every one of those verses in the first person and KNOW that you are saved. But until them…“Ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.”

*“These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know *that you have eternal life.”
–I John 5:13

 

[Amen_Im_Alive]

Dear nbtb1348,

As I am new here, and I’m at a loss to determine what your posts have to do with the situation Nicole requested feedback on, I was just checking out the rules. Perhaps I could direct your attention to the rules thread here:

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[johnpaul87]

I was raised a Baptist and as a result because it was all I knew I became an agnostic, almost an athiest. The Roman Catholic church , Jesus’s church led me to Gods gift of faith and back to God.

The Baptist and indeed many protestants provide a lot of emotional stimulation. They rely heavily on charismatic pastors, they have lively singing, they do not provide the Eucharist, dont believe in Jesus prescence at the mass in the form of his body and blood and do not provide either the intellectual foundation for belief or a direct line back to Peter the RCC provides.

I am surprised if you do not understand what is wrong with what you are doing you do not understand the church’s teachings and you cannot have the benefits of the only true mass with Christs body and blood. I dont understand anyone who would give that up for an emotional stimulus from yelling and singing?

hi, you say the baptist church doesnt provide the euchrist? i did alot of reading catholic rules yesterday but im not sure what that means, to provide it. isnt that communion, the bread and wine?

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

I went to a Baptist church on Sunday and had a great time with my husband and kids. They wewre all so welcoming and I had the best time ever! I loved bible study. the singing. and just everything. We are thinking of going there from now on. Is that a sin?? As long as we stilllove God and make Jesus a central figure in our life…I can’t imagine going to churhc on sundays, bible studys once a week, and living to serve others and still going to Hell…any resposes??
thx!

It is a whopper of a sin - if you are Catholic To leave the CC is a mortal sin. This is really high-grade high-octane 24-carat sin we’re talking about ​

 

[johnpaul87]

Of course martin Luther died a friendless and bitter man. He was an egotist who believed man had to do something to effect his salvation. Catholics dont have a hatred of martin Luther but we tell the full story, protestants cannot tell the full story because it calls into question your beliefs.

why are you here?

I have no need to go to a Baptist forum, I know all about the Baptist church and instead want to participate with those of my faith. I suppose if I believed I could change the minds of Baptist I might go to a baptist forum but I believe I would only irritate them and cause more strife within the christian faith. Since I found this forum my greatest dissapointment is the amount of protestants who have come here to either convert or attack.

while you, like my Baptist minister Uncle are nice enough to be around, I dont want my kids marrying one and do wish at times I had a delete protestant poster button on my computor.

hey, i see people mention baptist forums. can anyone tell me where one is.thanks in advance

 

[johnpaul87]

On your first post you stated this:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=4698509#post4698509

Get the first marriage annulled, live like brother and sister until then, then get your marriage blessed, and stay Catholic! Not necessarily the easiest route and maybe not the answer you want to hear, but probably the best way to go.

How could you go from being a traditional Catholic who allegedly is tormented not receiving the Eucharist to a religion that generally bashes Catholics?

i can safely say that protest churchs dont bash the rank and file catholic. not that ive been to alot of different churches. sadly i admit that i hardly ever went to church once i was old enough to get out of being drug there by my parents. but i watch them on TV alot. i even watch EWTN. my absolute fave is Father Corapi. hes good, real good. protestants point out wierd doctrines of catholic beliefs not individual catholics. ill bet some do condem rank and file catholics but that shows ignorance on that person.

 

[johnpaul87]

Oh dear…are you kidding in the bolded portion? Do you know that the one, undivided Church that is Holy and Apostolic canonized the Bible? So it makes no sense to say Catholics “wish these verses weren’t in the Bible”. Back when the entire Church was “Catholic” (universal, complete, lacking nothing), before any splintering off into “Catholic”, “Orthodox”, “Protestant” or anything like that, we came together and canonized the Bible. And now you want to tell us how we feel about it because we reject some interpretations that Luther came up with ~1,000 years after the fact? Unbelievable.

If God wants us to experience the feeling of being “saved” without works, why all the emphasis on faith AND works, as in James 2:18-20? This is the false dichotomy that Protestants always try to set up to “prove” what they think the Catholic Church teaches wrong (conveniently forgetting or remaining ignorant of what the Church does teach, which is NOT salvation by works). It is not “faith” vs. “works”…faith AND works! “Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works”! The two work in concert with one another; having one without the other or in substitution for the other is not sufficient. We are told to do more than that.

Wow. Is it possible to have a persecution complex on behalf of a departed man? Really, this is too much.

hey, leave martin luther alone. he wrote my altime favorite song…A Mighty Fortress is our God. i play it on my electric piano all the time

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

hey, i see people mention baptist forums. can anyone tell me where one is.thanks in advance

There’s one on beliefnet:​

• http://community.beliefnet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=-1&f=136

 

[johnpaul87]

You know Angel, I hate to admit it, but I tend to agree with this assessment. It has been my experience that they have been narrow-minded and shallow when it comes to the bible and deep thought. I have found that their church “services” are based around one of two things: 1)entertainment; 2)listening to a pastor giving a simple sermon for 45 min on 1 or 2 scripture verses.

hi brother, sadly i have to agree with you. dont let me get started. i could talk about baptists so bad it would make catholics mad

 

[johnpaul87]

There’s one on beliefnet:​

• http://community.beliefnet.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=-1&f=136

thanks friend

 

[celticsfan1983]

By the way, Luther wasn’t perfect, but don’t let Catholics’ hatred of him fool you!

Not a hatred, but a pretty strong dislike for a man who advocated burning Jewish synagogues and murdering Jewish people for no reason at all.

More importantly though, Nicole, others have said it much better than I can, but I have you in my thoughts and prayers. I am so sorry about what has happened in your life: it’s terrible. No other way to describe it.

I pray to the Holy Spirit that you will find your way and receive healing. God bless you and your wonderful family.

 

[ufamtobie]

I went to a Baptist church on Sunday and had a great time with my husband and kids. They wewre all so welcoming and I had the best time ever! I loved bible study. the singing. and just everything. We are thinking of going there from now on. Is that a sin?? As long as we stilllove God and make Jesus a central figure in our life…I can’t imagine going to churhc on sundays, bible studys once a week, and living to serve others and still going to Hell…any resposes??
thx!

Nicole,

You rather prefer the welcoming and singing and Bible studying and just everything, Over the EUCHARIST!?

Nicole, then go right on ahead this only goes to show that you were not a devote Catholic to begin with, cause, if you were you won’t even think to leave the True Body and Blood of Christ for a cracker and fruit juice, doing so, you are not making Jesus the Central figure in your life and in your family’s life.

Jesus Christ, did not stop many of his disciples that left regarding eating and drinking his Body and Blood in (John 6: 66) why should I stop you, however I will pray for you and your family

Have fun singing!

Ufam Tobie

 

[mdstanzel]

Nicole,
Going to a non-Catholic church won’t solve problems. People are people no matter where you go. Anybody can claim to be a preacher, build a church and claim whatever they wish. Look at all the “bishops” in the world that have no apostolic authority. Thing hard. If you do follow through with this then just keep Jesus close to your heart and be honest. Sometimes we have to fall on our face before we learn. Don’t stop the annulment process. Get it out of the way and move forward.

 

[Angels_Unaware]

Yes, I don’t blame you from running from that many verses. I won’t cast those pearls in front of you again. But you are precious in His sight. And if you seek to know one day, you will be able to read every one of those verses in the first person and KNOW that you are saved. But until them…“Ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.”

*“These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know *that you have eternal life.”
–I John 5:13

Nicole, please read the above post and consider it one reason against joining a Fundamentalist church.

I know Jesus. I know and understand the Bible. I understand salvation in light of ALL of scripture, not just a selected few verses that prop up a false theology. My life and heart are obedient to God in all things and uplifted by his grace.

And yet, this is the kind of person you will align yourself with (above). A person who cannot accept that I am a Christian, because I don’t interpret scripture in the same way as him and I don’t parrot back a formula and buzz words that don’t exist in Scripture. He categorically rejects everything I say about the Lord in my life because of his pretext that Catholics cannot be Christians, something that even Hank Hannegraaf rejects. He is a person who is terrified of opening his mind to the possibility that people who don’t go to his church know and undestand God.

You might run into Catholics who have the same flaws, that’s true. People are just people. But, I think this is a special problem that is unique to Fundamentalism. I think the problems are worse there. That’s a new discussion, though.

**I pray you trust God to lead you. **

 

[PatienceAndLove]

So we can move on from this whole “are you saved” conversation…

“As the Bible says, I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).”

 

[michaelcollins]

You say that because you have not yet experienced it, precious one. Here are some of the pearls that point to that marvelous salvation that happens the moment we truly believe…

John 1
12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

I John 5:1,18-- Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him…… For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

I John 2-- If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.

II Cor 1
21 Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and has anointed us is God, 22 who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

Eph 1- (All past tense—DONE!)
11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory. 13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who** is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Eph 2—(notice past tense—DONE)**
1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Titus 3:5-- He saved us, (past tense) not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration (done) and renewing (done) by the Holy Spirit,

I Peter 1—
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade— kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.

22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23 For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.

I Peter 2
2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby

Let me make this simple, been there done that, been saved by the baptist, spent years praying for salvation with every once of my being, had a public profession of my faith, prayed till tears were coming down my face- for what? for a change for proof of salvation

I have read all your verses, in fact read them before and do not get this outline of salvation you say is there, what I get is your interpretation of what it means- if I were going to write directions for salvation and it was going to be for one to do as you believe it would not be the v erses you quote it would be a lot different.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

I have read all your verses, in fact read them before and do not get this outline of salvation you say is there, what I get is your interpretation of what it means- if I were going to write directions for salvation and it was going to be for one to do as you believe it would not be the v erses you quote it would be a lot different.

would they look like the ones I posted above?

I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

 

[michaelcollins]

thanks friend

Instead of the things you are doing-for instance I have a hard time believing you are going to RCIA if you dont know the difference in the catholic position on the eucharist-that it becomes the real body and blood of jesus christ, yes real body and blood, v the protestants who when they have what they call the lords supper drink grape juice and eat crackers and it is like the bread and wine consummed in the last supper, just like thanksgiving dinner. Why dont you actually learn what we believe, it is not simple it requires effort on your part but it would be worth it.

 

[michaelcollins]

would they look like the ones I posted above?

I am already saved (Rom. 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8), but I’m also being saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, Phil. 2:12), and I have the hope that I will be saved (Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15). Like the apostle Paul I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), with hopeful confidence in the promises of Christ (Rom. 5:2, 2 Tim. 2:11–13).

I do not understand the I believe that jesus christ is lord, the only true son of god that he died for my sins and was raised on the 3rd day, an ermesion baptism and youre good to go for eternity

I know protestants have a list of things they do not get about the catholic church, strange to me that faith is the key and how we obtain it and why are the answer that we cannot readily apply. It does not translate to everyone, I know I sought it with all my heart and being because I was in fear of dying without it and the consequences yet could not find it then I found it when I was no longer looking.