I can't stand other Catholics

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This is for Mathematoons and any other converts feeling the same way:

You’re not a self-righteous jerk and what you’re experiencing is something that’s happened to others. As a convert myself, I’ve had a similar struggle and have known other converts who’ve experienced the same thing.

One way I’ve heard it expressed is that while loving one’s Catholic Faith utterly (meaning, the Catholic Faith as expressed by Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition, and the Teachings of the Magisterium – and, by the way, is why we converted!), one simultaneously struggles with what could be termed “an acceptable Catholic culture” demonstrated in many Catholic parishes that is, unfortunately, contrary to the aforementioned in many respects. And unfortunately, many of the Catholics who are just living their Catholicism the way they were taught in Catholic school or in the home (meaning, for some it may be a Catholicism by inheritance but not by choice), don’t realize there is such a Catholic culture in the church, and that it’s not what converts expect, and it smacks us in the face.

And this is a great example of why today’s Catholic culture (America in particular) needs the new evangelization spoken of by the Holy Father. We all need to have our Catholic Faith renewed – we need to pray, like David in the Psalms, “restore unto me the JOY of my salvation!”.

Mathematoons, you’re not alone. You’re meant to be the salt and light of Christ not only to those outside the Church, but to your fellow Catholics. Those people that you’re speaking about may be struggling with their faith, perhaps in the most dangerous way of all: by not recognizing their lukewarm state. Living your life as a joyful Catholic, embracing your Catholic Faith and growing in the Faith as much as you can, may be the best witness of all.

Also, some I know have found it helpful to connect with other converts (those who speak the same language), particularly those who desire to follow the path of holiness. And there are many lifelong Catholics who are embracing their faith in a dynamic way – a good place to find them is at Daily Mass, or in your local Catholic Scripture Study class or somewhere similar. And for me personally, I’ve found it helpful to take this kind of situation, including my own frustrations and failures in dealing with it - into the confessional, to leave it at the feet of Christ. Just some thoughts on things that might help.

Yes, you have all the options you mentioned, and I understood that you were stating them to cover all the bases and that you knew not all were beneficial for the soul. You, and I, and other converts understand we made an adult, rational decision to become Catholic and leave our former way of life (and in some cases, that meant leaving friends and family too – literally, becomming a stranger in a strange land), and we want to embrace our Catholic faith – and that includes our Catholic brothers and sisters. Our hand is on the plow, we’re not looking back. I hope you’ll take a moment and say a prayer for the people on this thread who didn’t understand what you meant.

I’m so glad to know you’re a brother or sister in Christ!! 🙂 God bless you, and I’m sorry this was so long – just wanted you to know I empathize, and am praying for you. Please say a prayer for me too.
 
Wonderful reply—I have no joy either, and I wish I could get a straight answer to some of my questions (for example, why do Catholics look down upon and constantly warn against the world when God Himself created it and all that’s in it?)
 
Wonderful reply—I have no joy either, and I wish I could get a straight answer to some of my questions (for example, why do Catholics look down upon and constantly warn against the world when God Himself created it and all that’s in it?)
Because man has corrupted the world. We were given dominion over it and we brought sin into it. Therefore, not all that is in the world is good anymore, due to man’s faulty management. 🤷
 
Because man has corrupted the world. We were given dominion over it and we brought sin into it. Therefore, not all that is in the world is good anymore, due to man’s faulty management. 🤷
Thank you. I think I get that part, but when they say ‘the world,’ do non-Catholics really know what they mean? I sure didn’t.

If Catholicism is supposed to be universal why do you need a secret decoder ring?
 
Thank you. I think I get that part, but when they say ‘the world,’ do non-Catholics really know what they mean? I sure didn’t.

If Catholicism is supposed to be universal why do you need a secret decoder ring?
Well, I’m not sure… honestly I’ve never been a non-Christian. The Christians I know have always stood against worldly things. I’ve never seen them as objecting to everything in the world. So it’s hard for me to grasp your viewpoint, simply because I’ve never been on the outside looking in.
 
I have recently met a very devout woman. She is SURROUNDED by very bad sinners, lax Catholics, heathens, everything. She has not spent one moment saying one bad thing about them. She lives her faith with such depth, such devoutness, such generosity, that by her example she has moved many to become more devout. Including myself.

Become this person, OP.
 
Well, I’m not sure… honestly I’ve never been a non-Christian. The Christians I know have always stood against worldly things. I’ve never seen them as objecting to everything in the world. So it’s hard for me to grasp your viewpoint, simply because I’ve never been on the outside looking in.
I have been, and it’s a viewpoint we should not easily dismiss, especially IF we want to (as some claim) bring utter heathens into the church.
 
I have been, and it’s a viewpoint we should not easily dismiss, especially IF we want to (as some claim) bring utter heathens into the church.
🙂 Well,we should always have an answer, for sure. Logical, reasoned answers as to why we reject abortion, premarital sex, birth control, etc, etc, etc. Otherwise our positions will be dismissed. This much I’ve learned just through experience.

But thank you for pointing out how the other side sees things.
 
The comment about a “secret decoder ring” is both funny and true (at one point in my conversion, I started keeping a “Non-Catholic to Catholic Dictionary” for myself, just so I could keep up, such as “kneel = genuflect”, “parsonage = rectory”…). When we speak “Catholic language” to a non-Catholic, we can’t assume they can automatically make the translation – therefore, if any of us are going to fulfill Christ’s command to “go and make disciples”, it seems we all have to learn how to be like the Apostle Phillip: when the Holy Spirit sent him to the Ethiopian Eunuch who read the Scriptures and wanted to understand, but couldn’t – Phillip needed to understand how to translate the truth of the Faith into words and concepts the Eunuch could understand, and then, the Eunuch could make the decision to convert.

As a thought, if converts and cradle-Catholics want to help make a change in the way things are (meaning, some of the frustrations mentioned in this thread), and help ourselves in the process, we could consider volunteering in our parish in a way so the Holy Spirit can use us as an agent for positive change – here are some things I’m aware of that others have done that have helped them:
  1. Volunteer to sit in on or be a sponsor for those in RCIA: The converts can empathize and help translate, and the cradle-Catholics have an opportunity to share their Catholic faith and begin to understand some of the challenges from the other side of the fence.
  2. Volunteer with the Parish Evangelism Commission (or ask your pastor how you can help with evangelistic efforts): Both converts and cradle-Catholics can talk about their difficulties in sharing their Catholic faith and problems they’ve encountered, or ideas for witnessing, or how their own conversion (yes, cradle-Catholics have a conversion-point also) has given them insight into embracing their Catholic faith, etc.
  3. Nickybr38’s point about being able to give a reason for what we believe is spot on with what the Holy Father has mentioned over and over again in relation to the upcoming Year of Faith (Oct. ’12) and everyone knowing the Catechism of the Catholic Church (it’s a book completely in harmony with Holy Scripture and details why we Catholics believe what we believe about everything crucial in the Faith). An idea is to approach your parish priest about starting an adult class on Sunday after one of the Masses, to study the Catechism – it’s a great time for discussion, provides a “next step” for those new Catholics who’ve just graduated from RCIA and feel like they’ve been abandoned because there is no “next step”, and is a great way to bring together cradle-Catholics and converts so they can all get on the same page and begin speaking the correct Catholic language.
My own experience about how the Catechism makes things better between converts and other Catholics: A wonderful cradle-Catholic had the spiritual courage to invite me to his parish to talk to a priest – this was my first intro to the Catholic Church, and I am eternally grateful. Shortly thereafter, as I was considering Catholicism (and all the incorrect things I thought I knew about it), I asked him, in my ignorance, “why do Catholics worship Mary?”. With equal sincerity and a desire to help me in my conversion, he answered, “I don’t know, I just know that we do.”. Of course, we both learned shortly after that (through a course studying the Catechism of the Catholic Church) that no Catholic worships Mary – we only worship God.

I learned there’s a lot of bad catechesis out there on both sides of the fence which can lead us all down the same road of ignorance and chaos. The Holy Spirit, using the Catechism as a teaching tool, combats that, teaches the real truth about the Catholic Faith, and brings unity - it makes sense the Pope is encouraging everyone to find ways to connect with the Catechism in the coming year.

Please say a prayer for me – I’m off to confession, as I had an experience earlier this week, similar to what was described in this thread and I was not Christlike in my thoughts.
 
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