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If more liberal people are shocked by liberal ideas, then there’s a problem somewhere!
 
Sexual matters seem to be a separate kettle of fish. Even some clinical psychologists are squeamish treating people who have sexual issues (not only SSA), whereas they are more comfortable helping people who suffer from anxiety disorders, depression, even schizophrenia.
 
Sexual issues are so personal and private; I for one have a lot of embarrassment discussing sex.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
Some are internally conflicted and feel self-loathing,
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All of the homosexuals I know are troubled with mental health problems. They are prone to bouts of depression and anxiety. I don’t know the cause of these issues but my heart goes out to them. That’s why I think its important to show compassion and fight every form of anti-homosexual bullying.

Having said that, I believe the most compassionate thing a Catholic can do for a homosexual is to share the Faith. We should introduce them to Jesus and then they’ll find the happiness and peace they’ve been searching for. I know some homosexuals became that way because they rejected God. But other homosexuals are clearly afflicted with mental health disorders.
 
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It’s the chicken and the egg. Does being gay result in anxiety and depression, or are anxiety and depression correlated with being gay? Whatever the correlation or causation, I agree with you that compassion and understanding (even if not approval) is the key toward people’s social interactions with gay people. No shunning, no bullying, no pitying, no self-righteous behavior. Pray for them if you wish, but treat them as equals because they are.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
Whatever the correlation or causation, I agree with you that compassion and understanding (even if not approval) is the key toward people’s social interactions with gay people.
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Exactly. Catholics have to live and interact with gay people. We have to tolerate each other. That’s why I defend a gay person’s right to equal protection under law. I do not support gay marriage but I do believe that the state should enable people to enter into contractual arrangements whereby assets can be shared and powers of attorney can be made. My point is that Catholics must be pragmatic and not allow Faith to become a weapon to beat people with. We have to be firm in our Faith but respectful of others who do not share our Faith.
 
Saxum said:
Exactly. Catholics have to live and interact with gay people. We have to tolerate each other.
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I personally have no problem living around, interacting with, “tolerating”, or otherwise having gay people in my neighborhood and my life.
It’s a gross overgeneralization to suggest that every “normal” person somehow reacts with horror to gay people. I’ve never minded one way or the other and I’m willing to bet I am not the only one.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I’ve never minded one way or the other and I’m willing to bet I am not the only one.
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You’re not. I know plenty of LGBT people, and have never felt any horror or revulsion towards them, and am puzzled why anyone would, besides ignorance and superstition. What especially troubles me is how some justify their antipathy using religion as a “shield”. None of the LGBT people I know are any more dysfunctional in any way that you and I, and a good deal less dysfunctional than the supposed “Christians” who hate them so much.
 
He may sense that sadness or disappointment by those around him, including his family because he 1)happens to be gay and 2)has a relationship. He most likely feels he is being judged, and he is, for good or ill.

So, I understand your feelings. I understand his, too.
If he happens to be gay, that is who he is. And that makes people whom he has loved his whole life, and who love him, SAD.

The is a mind twist.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
I personally have no problem living around, interacting with, “tolerating”, or otherwise having gay people in my neighborhood and my life.
It’s a gross overgeneralization to suggest that every “normal” person somehow reacts with horror to gay people. I’ve never minded one way or the other and I’m willing to bet I am not the only one.
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Anybody who has been just “tolerated” will tell you it really sucks. We are suppoed to love our brothers and sisters, not just tolerate them.

I agree with you.
 
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Unfortunately, on this forum saying you actually like people who happen to be gay or that they are loved and valued members of your circle of friends or family is likely to make a lot of people tell you, or at least think to themselves, that you’re an evil progressive who is destroying the Church and going to Hell.
 
Cecilia_Dympna said:
“Normal” people do NOT go round thinking these thoughts.
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I don’t know any straight man who doesn’t feel sick thinking of two men having sex. It’s gross. It turns my stomach.

It’s NORMAL for a man to find women sexually attractive. It’s normal for men to enjoy having sex with women. I can’t help having these thoughts because they’re natural and normal and what God designed.
 
QwertyGirl said:
Anybody who has been just “tolerated” will tell you it really sucks.
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What else do can I do but tolerate them? I’m never going to approve their sinful lifestyle choices. I’m always going to oppose things like gay marriage. But I don’t hate and wish them no harm.
 
I guess that would be for you to figure out, if you are so inclined. Maybe borrow their shoes and take a walk for a bit.
 
Saxum said:
What else do can I do but tolerate them? I’m never going to approve their sinful lifestyle choices. I’m always going to oppose things like gay marriage. But I don’t hate and wish them no harm.
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Why does it always have to go directly to approving of their “lifestyle” (whatever that means) or approving of gay marriage? I didn’t suggest that. I suggested you might want to do a little more than tolerate them. Maybe be a friend? I am sure your friends and family, the ones you more than just tolerate, have a variety of sinful tendencies and that you don’t engage in their sins with them or support their sins. What do those relationships look like?

Of course, please don’t answer here. Just consider it, if you wish.
 
QwertyGirl said:
I guess that would be for you to figure out, if you are so inclined
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I’m not inclined. I respect rights to their freedom and well-being and would never do anything to harm them. That said, I couldn’t associate with gays because they wouldn’t approve of my religious convictions. They could call me a “hater” and a “bigot.” The animosity is one sided.
 
Your grandson is gay — not a mass murderer.

He is the same person he always was.

If you feel sad because you worry about his salvation, then ask yourself this: Who loves your grandson more – you or God?

Let me tell you this. I am Catholic, but I am also gay. Perhaps it would be very easy for me to abandon my faith. I have done so many times before. What always brings me back is love. We are all made for Love. If your grandson does not perceive true love in the Church, then he will look for it elsewhere.

So the one thing you should do is simply this: Love your grandson.

He doesn’t have a boyfriend to torture you. He doesn’t have a boyfriend to renounce his faith. He has a boyfriend because he perceives happiness there. God understands.
 
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