"I do wish Cardinal George would do something about Andrew Greeley".

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I just feel like I should bring up one thing, and then I’ll let you get back to the original topic so it doesn’t stray to far. When I’m reading about all this happening in the Chicago area, I can’t help but think about the underpass story. I know many people probably don’t believe it to be true, but isn’t this an ironic coincidence that the image of the Virgin Mary appears in Chicago in a prayer position with what looks like the rosary in her hands at the same time as all of these major problems are occuring there. It seems as though she was asking us to pray from what it looked like. Even if you don’t believe that image was something to give a second thought to, it still might not be a bad idea perhaps to send our prayers out to these problems going on in this area :o
 
beverly,

Good idea, yet I feel that all the major cities have similar problems. New York, Boston, Los Angeles, etc…
 
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beverly,

Good idea, yet I feel that all the major cities have similar problems. New York, Boston, Los Angeles, etc…
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O.k., you’re right… Let’s pray for all of them:)
 
I may be the only conservative/traditional Roman Catholic who actually likes Fr. Greeley’s books!

Fr. Greeley’s fiction books are quite good, in my opinion. They are like modern day parables that have many themes that many of us can appreciate, such as temptation, sin, personal ruin, forgiveness, and (especially) redemption. Yes, there is a generous amount of sex in the books, but in a certain context. Usually, the sex is celebrated in the bonds of a holy union (matrimony, people!), or is shown as being wrong and destructive when used for selfish or harmful ends.

As for his non-fiction work, he expresses himself well, though some of his ideas are a bit odd to me. But you can tell that he has a very deep appreciation for the church’s traditions, smells, bells, art, and history.

Fr. Greeley does indeed love the Catholic Church (even though he apparently doesn’t care much for our new pope, something that I had a good laugh about in an earlier post of mine). Yes, he is quite liberal in many ways and has some ideas that I will never be in agreement with him (eg. his conviction that the church needs women priests). But at the same time, the good Father also gives it good to the left as well, from fanatical men-hating feminist nuns to “sandalistas” who think that Marx is the fourth member of the Godhead. Fr. Greeley is equal opportunity, for sure; he just doesn’t pick on Opus Dei!

I have read every single one of Fr. Greeley’s books, both fiction and non-fiction (I am currently reading his latest, The Priestly Sins). I don’t agree with everything he has written or said, but I enjoy his work for what it is. I respect Fr. Greeley because he is a great story teller.

I see no grounds for the good cardinal to “do something” about Fr. Greeley.
 
Mozier,

Good for you for owning up. I think I’ve read all of his fiction, and maybe 15-20 non-fiction works. Shoot, Cardinal George said he’s read four or five of his works. I did meet him once. Also my wife (to be, at the time) sent him an e-mail (which was a fan e-mail first, and then a lament about her annulment process); he responded right away, and said just the right thing.

God bless him!

John
 
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beverly,

Good idea, yet I feel that all the major cities have similar problems. New York, Boston, Los Angeles, etc…
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and maybe some of the not so major cities also. 😉
 
chicago,

I agree…so let’s pray for renewal across the entire Church. 🙂
 
“No Catholics of any sense will take any pastoral advice from Father Andrew Greeley, a superficial writer who appears to spend his time promoting himself to various elements in the secular media.”
– Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, D.D., S.T.D
 
I have just read Andrew Greeley’s article in our local newspaper. What it appeared to be was a lot of Bush-bashing, which as a Republican I take as a grain of salt. He teached at the University where I work and his credentials are good. I have read some of his books. I note that in the perface of the books that I have read he states that he is writing as a sociologist not a theologian or a Bible scholar. I read his mystery novels because frankly they are less graphic than some other mystery writers, Sue Grafton for instance. I think he has some pretty strange ideas, but he always seems to present them as a sociologist not a priest.
 
I’m not sure what one might expect the Cardinal to “do” about Fr. Greeley. Probably largely because of the type of fiction he writes, I don’t think he has ever been made pastor of a parish. And he’s not really a theologian and doesn’t teach theology, so it’s hardly worth making an issue of his dissent on theological issues.

He’s a sociologist, novelist, and columnist. I suspect that he doesn’t bother the chancery and they don’t bother him.
 
Trelow said:
“No Catholics of any sense will take any pastoral advice from Father Andrew Greeley, a superficial writer who appears to spend his time promoting himself to various elements in the secular media.”
– Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, D.D., S.T.D
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It’s a LOT easier for him to make that comment at a distance than it would be if Fr. Greeley were a priest of his diocese.
 
Trelow said:
“No Catholics of any sense will take any pastoral advice from Father Andrew Greeley, a superficial writer who appears to spend his time promoting himself to various elements in the secular media.”
– Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, D.D., S.T.D
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Our Mayor Daley (the first) used to say of opponents, “What trees do they plant?” So, okay, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, D.D., S.T.D, he’s a superficial writer what have you written that can compare with the non-fiction of Reverend Andrew Moran Greeley, PhD? He reaches far more people in his ministry than the bishop of an obscure midwestern diocese ever could.

John
 
John Higgins:
Our Mayor Daley (the first) used to say of opponents, “What trees do they plant?” So, okay, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, D.D., S.T.D, he’s a superficial writer what have you written that can compare with the non-fiction of Reverend Andrew Moran Greeley, PhD? He reaches far more people in his ministry than the bishop of an obscure midwestern diocese ever could.

John
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Reaching? That good bishop has probably led many souls to heaven. The work of Greeley? Does that help lead people to the truth?
 
Somewhere I read that Fr. Greeley knows where are the secrets are. He was in conflict with Cardinal Cody when he was alive. I don’t follow this particularly but I think they would be fearful of denying him his right to be a priest. He has the means to fight back. He has been extremely critical of the church, our new Pope, conservative (faithul) new young priests, and a lot more. I don’t think he leads people to Christ. I beg to differ John, he is a spokesperson for dissenting liberal Democratic Catholics.
 
John Higgins:
Our Mayor Daley (the first) used to say of opponents, “What trees do they plant?” So, okay, Bishop Fabian Bruskewitz, D.D., S.T.D, he’s a superficial writer what have you written that can compare with the non-fiction of Reverend Andrew Moran Greeley, PhD? He reaches far more people in his ministry than the bishop of an obscure midwestern diocese ever could.

John
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In what way does he reach them? Is he teachig the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the Gospel of relativism and presentism? Can you give a link to anything Greely has written that is theologically grounded or, as i suspect , does he just use his celebrity status to spout hiis far left opinons?
 
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In what way does he reach them? Is he teachig the Gospel of Jesus Christ or the Gospel of relativism and presentism? Can you give a link to anything Greely has written that is theologically grounded or, as i suspect , does he just use his celebrity status to spout hiis far left opinons?
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Actually, Fr. Greeley has done quite a bit of good work in support of the Church. For example, he has done studies on the value of Catholic education, he has surveyed and expounded upon how happy most priests are with celibacy, he was one of the earliest and most profound critics of sexual abuse among the clergy.
 
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