I don't get it...if you are a non-Catholic Christian, then why aren't you a Catholic Christian?

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I was a “Catholic Christian” I am now a" Non Catholic Christian" After Forty two years I left the Catholic Church after attending A Lutheran Church once. The Liturgy is very similar. Just a lot less power and control by the pastor over the parish. Members are people in a Lutheran church not subjects of a priest’s Control
 
What’s funny, is how people search for a ‘like minded’ commentary so they can fit scriptures to their theology, as opposed to fitting their theology to scriptures.

Scriptures tell us the pillar and ground of truth and where the manifold wisdom of God maybe found and that the unlearned, unstable and unwise can wrest scriptures, even to their destruction. Those speak clearly, without any ‘tap dancing’.

The Bereans were ‘more noble’ than the people of Thessalonica. Read Acts 17:1 - 10 and see how they were received.

The word they received was the PREACHING from Paul. He gave them the interpretation and they searched the scriptures to see whether those things were true. These people knew scriptures, but did not know the correct interpretation until Paul preached it to them. There was no new Testament, they were searching the scriptures that spoke of the Messiah.

You believe, all one needs is the scriptures and they can understand. What about the Ethiopican eunuch in Acts 8? He had the scriptures and was reading them. Philip asked if he understood what he was reading. The eunuch replied, ‘: And how can I, unless some man shew me?’ Philip PREACHED Jesus to the eunuch and the eunuch was baptized, because then he believed. It took an Apostle, an authoritative man of the Church, to explain scriptures to him.

If you search the internet hard enough, I’m sure you find someone who will dispute that story too…
You mean that you, as a Christian, led by the Holy Spirit, would be unable to read and interpret scripture with someone?
 
You mean that you, as a Christian, led by the Holy Spirit, would be unable to read and interpret scripture with someone?
Show me where scriptures tell us that everyone will be led by the Holy Spirit?

Christ established a Church, that gave us scriptures. Now who can interpret scriptures better than the Church that gave them to us?

If you’ll answer the first question, I’ll try to go more into detail to properly answer your question above.
 
Show me where scriptures tell us that everyone will be led by the Holy Spirit?

Christ established a Church, that gave us scriptures. Now who can interpret scriptures better than the Church that gave them to us?

If you’ll answer the first question, I’ll try to go more into detail to properly answer your question above.
So, you don’t believe that Jesus’s words in John 14:26 apply to every Christian, believer?
 
Show me where scriptures tell us that everyone will be led by the Holy Spirit?

Christ established a Church, that gave us scriptures. Now who can interpret scriptures better than the Church that gave them to us?
I agree with Prodigal Son. The Bible is the book of the Church. Therefore, we must interpret Holy Scripture as members of the Church, not as isolated individuals. While we should definitely be reading the Bible on our own, I think it is prideful to think that we can make up our own meanings in it.
 
So, you don’t believe that Jesus’s words in John 14:26 apply to every Christian, believer?
If you read John 13 through 18, in the context of who was being spoken too, you’ll see that Christ was only speaking to the men He chose and appointed over His Church. These were not words spoken to the ‘multitudes’.

This doesn’t mean we cannot learn from those writings, we can. It’s a blessing to read and understand the things the authoritative Church is commanded to teach us.

How can we, laypersons in today’s terms or multitude in Biblical terms, read every instruction as to ourselves, when it’s clear Christ chose and appointed men over His Church? That’s not reading in context, in my opinion.

Show me where Christ taught the multitudes to ‘teach’ or ‘preach’?
 
I agree with Prodigal Son. The Bible is the book of the Church. Therefore, we must interpret Holy Scripture as members of the Church, not as isolated individuals. While we should definitely be reading the Bible on our own, I think it is prideful to think that we can make up our own meanings in it.
:amen:
 
I agree with Prodigal Son. The Bible is the book of the Church. Therefore, we must interpret Holy Scripture as members of the Church, not as isolated individuals. While we should definitely be reading the Bible on our own, I think it is prideful to think that we can make up our own meanings in it.
So, what is your point? Who said anything about making up their own meanings? This is not what the catholic church does, does it? If so, then I’m glad I don’t belong to it!
 
So, what is your point? Who said anything about making up their own meanings? This is not what the catholic church does, does it? If so, then I’m glad I don’t belong to it!
You refer to yourself as ‘non-denominational’. Does your Church agree, interpretationally, with the Baptists, Presbyterians, Assembly of God, Methodists, Episcopalians, Church of Christ, Lutherans, etc.?

The Church preserved the interpretations, with the scriptures, through the centuries. They did not make up their own meaning and that’s not what I, or PeaceSerenity, was saying.
 
You mean that you, as a Christian, led by the Holy Spirit, would be unable to read and interpret scripture with someone?
Catholics are encourage to read the Bible and they can “personally interpret” scripture as long as their interpretation does not deviate from that of the Catholic Church… In other words, verses in the Bible speak to all of us and lessons can be applied to our own life and our own circumstances.

Additionally, Catholic Apologists “interpret” the Bible to explain and support various aspects of Catholicism. The words that they may use when they “interpret” the Bible, may differ from other Catholics but they do not deviate from any Catholic teachings, doctrine or dogma…

Some of the most famous Catholic “interpreters” of the Bible include, Thomas Kempis, who wrote The Imitation of Christ…St. Thomas Aquinas’s and his Summa is another example, St. John of the Cross is another example and so on…

The definition of “interpreting the Bible” in Catholicism has a different meaning than it does in Protestantism…

It’s one thing, to interpret the Bible in a way that defends your faith and another, to interpret the bible in a way, which undermines your faith.
 
I left Catholicism after being raised in it and reading the bible instead of believing catechism

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I could know longer kneel at the alter and Pray to Mary
Heres some of the things I found

Mary was not sinless…
Mary is not a goddess…
All believers are saints…
Jesus is our only priest…
Rituals cannot save you…
Sex in marriage is not a sin…
The Pope is never infallible…
Mary did not remain a virgin…
The Pope has become an idol…
We are saved by grace, not works…
Praying to “saints” is idol worship…
The Apocrypha is not the Word of God…
Belonging to the Church cannot save you…
Church tradition does not equal the Bible…
Sex was not designed only for procreation…
Sex was not the original sin; it was PRIDE…
God must be in your heart, not in your rituals…
The Church has replaced the Holy Spirit’s guidance…
The traditions of men invented most Catholic beliefs…
There is no purgatory, only salvation and damnation…
Demons are pretending to be the “saints” worshipped…
The Church cannot replace a personal relationship with Christ…
Catholicism has always been based on demonic pagan religions…
Catholicism is not Biblical -

Woe to those who follow after man’s religions and falsify God’s Truth.
They will have no part in God’s Kingdom and will not be counted among
the living.

PRAYER OF REPENTANCE:
Father in Heaven, please forgive us for falsifying Your Truth and
following after man’s traditions and after rituals instead of a
personal relationship with You. Please forgive us for turning to the
Church for guidance instead of Your Holy Spirit, who we now invite
into our hearts and minds. Please forgive our idolatry and
involvement in demonic practices. We now turn away from it forever.
Help us now to understand Your Word as we read it and believe the
entirety of it, without adding false beliefs and texts and practices
to it. We recognize that salvation can only be found through Your
grace because of the sacrifice of Your only Son, Jesus Christ, and we
now give our lives to only Him, repent to only Him, and accept
forgiveness only through Him, without any obligation or ability to pay
for our sins ourselves. We also ask for forgiveness for the spiritual
destruction on the world that we have contributed to, through our
involvement in this false church. We pray to and through only Jesus
Christ, our only Lord and Savior. Amen.
 
I left Catholicism after being raised in it and reading the bible instead of believing catechism

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I could know longer kneel at the alter and Pray to Mary
Heres some of the things I found

Mary was not sinless…
Mary is not a goddess…
All believers are saints…
Jesus is our only priest…
Rituals cannot save you…
Sex in marriage is not a sin…
The Pope is never infallible…
Mary did not remain a virgin…
The Pope has become an idol…
We are saved by grace, not works…
Praying to “saints” is idol worship…
The Apocrypha is not the Word of God…
Belonging to the Church cannot save you…
Church tradition does not equal the Bible…
Sex was not designed only for procreation…
Sex was not the original sin; it was PRIDE…
God must be in your heart, not in your rituals…
The Church has replaced the Holy Spirit’s guidance…
The traditions of men invented most Catholic beliefs…
There is no purgatory, only salvation and damnation…
Demons are pretending to be the “saints” worshipped…
The Church cannot replace a personal relationship with Christ…
Catholicism has always been based on demonic pagan religions…
Catholicism is not Biblical -

Woe to those who follow after man’s religions and falsify God’s Truth.
They will have no part in God’s Kingdom and will not be counted among
the living.

PRAYER OF REPENTANCE:
Father in Heaven, please forgive us for falsifying Your Truth and
following after man’s traditions and after rituals instead of a
personal relationship with You. Please forgive us for turning to the
Church for guidance instead of Your Holy Spirit, who we now invite
into our hearts and minds. Please forgive our idolatry and
involvement in demonic practices. We now turn away from it forever.
Help us now to understand Your Word as we read it and believe the
entirety of it, without adding false beliefs and texts and practices
to it. We recognize that salvation can only be found through Your
grace because of the sacrifice of Your only Son, Jesus Christ, and we
now give our lives to only Him, repent to only Him, and accept
forgiveness only through Him, without any obligation or ability to pay
for our sins ourselves. We also ask for forgiveness for the spiritual
destruction on the world that we have contributed to, through our
involvement in this false church. We pray to and through only Jesus
Christ, our only Lord and Savior. Amen.
You say you were Catholic, and coincidently this is your first post, yet you display a lack of understanding of the Catholic faith, with your ‘laundry list’ of objections. Many of which have been addressed in this thread, so I invite you to actually read through it first.
 
You refer to yourself as ‘non-denominational’. Does your Church agree, interpretationally, with the Baptists, Presbyterians, Assembly of God, Methodists, Episcopalians, Church of Christ, Lutherans, etc.?

The Church preserved the interpretations, with the scriptures, through the centuries. They did not make up their own meaning and that’s not what I, or PeaceSerenity, was saying.
So, if the words of God do not apply to us as Christians, why bother reading it? Then it’s like reading any other book, with the exception that not everyone lives happily ever after! And I do not follow any denomination, hence the non-denominational tag! We teach and interpret scripture as Christ intended! And does it matter whether you’re a non-catholic Christian or a catholic Christian? Some would argue that Christian is Christian! And how can we be sure that those men in the cc who are teaching and interpreting scripture were chosen by Jesus?:confused:
 
So, if the words of God do not apply to us as Christians, why bother reading it? Then it’s like reading any other book, with the exception that not everyone lives happily ever after! And I do not follow any denomination, hence the non-denominational tag! We teach and interpret scripture as Christ intended! And does it matter whether you’re a non-catholic Christian or a catholic Christian? Some would argue that Christian is Christian! And how can we be sure that those men in the cc who are teaching and interpreting scripture were chosen by Jesus?:confused:
If you have trouble reading what’s in my post…

Did I say we didn’t have to read the Bible? I said it was a blessing to be able to read and understand what Christ commanded them to teach us.

If the Bible is the inspired word of God, which I believe it is, we have to read it in the context of which it’s written and part of that context is who was being spoken too.

I notice you didn’t provide the scriptures supporting your view that I requested…

If you teach and interpret scriptures as Christ intended, then surely you can show me where scriptures teach us to interpret scriptures for ourselves, individually. Otherwise, it is a non-scriptural belief.

Christ chose and appointed the Apostles, giving them authority over His Church. Those men appointed other men. All of this is scriptural. There was only one Church, one faith, for hundreds of years. Protestantism, including non-denominationals, were founded since the 1500s. What gives them more insight to Christianity than the Church that withstood the ages, and preserved the very scriptures you have in your possession?
 
I left Catholicism after being raised in it and reading the bible instead of believing catechism

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; And showing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

I could know longer kneel at the alter and Pray to Mary
Heres some of the things I found

Mary was not sinless…
Mary is not a goddess…
All believers are saints…
Jesus is our only priest…
Rituals cannot save you…
Sex in marriage is not a sin…
The Pope is never infallible…
Mary did not remain a virgin…
The Pope has become an idol…
We are saved by grace, not works…
Praying to “saints” is idol worship…
The Apocrypha is not the Word of God…
Belonging to the Church cannot save you…
Church tradition does not equal the Bible…
Sex was not designed only for procreation…
Sex was not the original sin; it was PRIDE…
God must be in your heart, not in your rituals…
The Church has replaced the Holy Spirit’s guidance…
The traditions of men invented most Catholic beliefs…
There is no purgatory, only salvation and damnation…
Demons are pretending to be the “saints” worshipped…
The Church cannot replace a personal relationship with Christ…
Catholicism has always been based on demonic pagan religions…
Catholicism is not Biblical -

Woe to those who follow after man’s religions and falsify God’s Truth.
They will have no part in God’s Kingdom and will not be counted among
the living.

PRAYER OF REPENTANCE:
Father in Heaven, please forgive us for falsifying Your Truth and
following after man’s traditions and after rituals instead of a
personal relationship with You. Please forgive us for turning to the
Church for guidance instead of Your Holy Spirit, who we now invite
into our hearts and minds. Please forgive our idolatry and
involvement in demonic practices. We now turn away from it forever.
Help us now to understand Your Word as we read it and believe the
entirety of it, without adding false beliefs and texts and practices
to it. We recognize that salvation can only be found through Your
grace because of the sacrifice of Your only Son, Jesus Christ, and we
now give our lives to only Him, repent to only Him, and accept
forgiveness only through Him, without any obligation or ability to pay
for our sins ourselves. We also ask for forgiveness for the spiritual
destruction on the world that we have contributed to, through our
involvement in this false church. We pray to and through only Jesus
Christ, our only Lord and Savior. Amen.
W-O-W! What a powerful, moving post! I have encountered many former catholics, who express similar sentiments! Was talking with a former catholic, who does street ministry, and outreaches for Christ, recently and he said something that I thought was odd; that he was catholic until he got saved???:confused: Why is it that former catholics feel so angry and betrayed by the church? Just wondering!
 
W-O-W! What a powerful, moving post! I have encountered many former catholics, who express similar sentiments! Was talking with a former catholic, who does street ministry, and outreaches for Christ, recently and he said something that I thought was odd; that he was catholic until he got saved???:confused: Why is it that former catholics feel so angry and betrayed by the church? Just wondering!
They don’t understand the faith. The new poster shows an evidence of this in his post. Of course, to be perfectly honest, I wonder if that poster was really a Catholic at all by the many misconceptions listed in their post. But, they’ve come to the right place to learn the truth, instead of those misconceptions. It shows the dangers of ‘private interpretation’ of scriptures really.

Are you going to provide the scriptures to support your view that I requested?
 
If you have trouble reading what’s in my post…

Did I say we didn’t have to read the Bible? I said it was a blessing to be able to read and understand what Christ commanded them to teach us.

If the Bible is the inspired word of God, which I believe it is, we have to read it in the context of which it’s written and part of that context is who was being spoken too.

I notice you didn’t provide the scriptures supporting your view that I requested…

If you teach and interpret scriptures as Christ intended, then surely you can show me where scriptures teach us to interpret scriptures for ourselves, individually. Otherwise, it is a non-scriptural belief.

Christ chose and appointed the Apostles, giving them authority over His Church. Those men appointed other men. All of this is scriptural. There was only one Church, one faith, for hundreds of years. Protestantism, including non-denominationals, were founded since the 1500s. What gives them more insight to Christianity than the Church that withstood the ages, and preserved the very scriptures you have in your possession?
Well, then, let me ask you this: Do you believe, that as Christians and followers of Christ, we are charged with making disciples, as He instructed the twelve in Matthew 28:19-20? Once we are taught, should we not teach others? Didn’t Jesus say,“You will be my witnesses?” When I witness to others, with my personal testimony, about what Christ has done in my life, I believe that I am showing them Jesus! And do you have scripture that says we are not to teach others? What about when Jesus was teaching the multitudes, such as in the Sermon on The Mount; the Beatitudes? Because I am filled with the Holy Spirit, I have been empowered to share Jesus with others.👍
 
Show me where scriptures tell us that everyone will be led by the Holy Spirit?

Christ established a Church, that gave us scriptures. Now who can interpret scriptures better than the Church that gave them to us?

If you’ll answer the first question, I’ll try to go more into detail to properly answer your question above.
Well, I know that in the eyes of the catholic church, which puts forth exclusivity, I know they will think I am wrong, but I believe that John 14:26, tells me, and every other Christian, that Jesus sent the Advocate(aka the Holy Spirit) to lead us ALL into Truth and Spirit!! Do you also believe that the mansions that are in the Father’s house, are just for the disciples?:eek:
 
Well, then, let me ask you this: Do you believe, that as Christians and followers of Christ, we are charged with making disciples, as He instructed the twelve in Matthew 28:19-20? Once we are taught, should we not teach others? Didn’t Jesus say,“You will be my witnesses?” When I witness to others, with my personal testimony, about what Christ has done in my life, I believe that I am showing them Jesus! And do you have scripture that says we are not to teach others? What about when Jesus was teaching the multitudes, such as in the Sermon on The Mount; the Beatitudes? Because I am filled with the Holy Spirit, I have been empowered to share Jesus with others.👍
Again, reading Matthew 28 in context, who is Christ speaking too? I see those He chose and appointed over His Church.

Don’t get me wrong. We are to share that joy which is within us, but we were not chosen and appointed by Christ, or those of Apostolic succession. God set the Apostles, the prophets, the doctors. Show me anywhere in scriptures that a person ‘empowered’ themself without being appointed by Christ or those He appointed.

The sermon on the Mount is a good example of the ‘multitudes’. Show me the scriptures where Christ ‘appointed’ a multitude, or commanded them to go out and ‘teach’ or ‘preach’.
 
Well, I know that in the eyes of the catholic church, which puts forth exclusivity, I know they will think I am wrong, but I believe that John 14:26, tells me, and every other Christian, that Jesus sent the Advocate(aka the Holy Spirit) to lead us ALL into Truth and Spirit!! Do you also believe that the mansions that are in the Father’s house, are just for the disciples?:eek:
Then you are reading something out of context of the story. No one in scriptures appointed themself such as you are claiming we can do. It appears to be a man made tradition, that is not supported by scriptures.

You haven’t told me who Christ was speaking to in John 14 through 18?
 
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